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Forgetting Trumps' feelings about the Tulsa rally, I truly believe the Tulsa thing was the smoking gun. We know that TikTok did manual moderation of topics sens

Forgetting Trumps' feelings about the Tulsa rally, I truly believe the Tulsa thing was the smoking gun. We know that TikTok did manual moderation of topics sensitive to China, as well as some more non-ethical ones (censuring/pushing results back) of disabled and 'ugly' people. My girlfriend was offered a job moderating for TikTok and their package details with the work described left a bad taste in my mouth to be honest. But forgetting that, can we with 100% certainty say that the Tulsa rally fiasco: a) Wasn't an idea and orchestrated by the CCP? b) Was some teen's idea, but then was pushed to the top for political reasons by the CPP? If you can't say with 100% certain NO to these questions, and taking in account the US and China are in some sort of 'cold war', doesn't it make sense that the US goverment cuts the feet of an app that can change election results? Yes, Russian interference with facebook is also a possibility, but at the end, Facebook (and twitter, etc) are US entities, and if there is indeed some weird things going on, they can be investigated, banned, etc. the US can't do the same with regards to TikTok. (ps: Not american, have no skin in who wins the election, just pointing it as an outsider a possible reason)

khuey 6y ago
This line of argument can justify anything. Can we with 100% certainty say it wasn't organized by <insert whatever country you are from>? No? Time to start dropping bombs.
bawolff 6y ago
Honestly, that seems like an out there conspiracy to me. Not because china wouldn't do it, but because they don't have to. No point in taking the risk of orchastrating it if americans are going to do it themselves. And that is even assuming china is anti-trump. Geopolitically trump has been pretty good for china (at the cost of short term trade issues). I'd bet China cares more about long term gains over short term losses.
tooltalk 6y ago
So do you think Congress, both the House and Senate, also overwhelmingly voted to ban Tiktok because of the poor showing at Tulsa rally? smh
- khuey 6y ago
  Congress voted to ban it from federally owned computers which is much different than a blanket nationwide sanction.
  - tooltalk 6y ago
    That's because Congress can't put a blanket nationwide sanction expediently -- it instead limited it to federal employees where they have absolutely authority, and pretty much cleared path for Trump's action.
op03 6y ago
After America goes and elects a jackass like Trump, how does it matter what the CCP or Russia is capable off? The whole discussion is unnecessary. If someone goes and flunks an exam due to their own incompetence, does it matter what external factors can make them flunk? Trump + other bizarre self important characters in his cabinet actually believe they know what they are doing. They don't. As to the CCP knowing what its doing is another total joke. The moves of both sides are like watching second graders working a tenth grade problem. Its true, the tantrums the second graders throw in frustration, can be entertaining or highly dramatic. But the trap people fall into is to focus on the tantrums, forgetting whats on blackboard and whether anyone in the room has the skills to solve it. This was all fine in the age of no information or hidden information. The game old men have learnt to play in that environment is an outdated game. Today with data overflowing about the nature of problems, about the grade level the people in the room the game changes. And what we choose to focus on will change too.
- virtue3 6y ago
  You under the assumption that Russia didn't tamper with both the US elections and Brexit. Which, seems to be false.
panpanna 6y ago
Do you hang around r/conspiracy a lot? Because those folks would miss a real conspiracy even if you hit them in the face with it, but are really good in finding conspiracies where there is none.
__bjoernd 6y ago
> If you can't say with 100% certain NO to these questions, and taking in account the US and China are in some sort of 'cold war', doesn't it make sense that the US goverment cuts the feet of an app that can change election results? You mean ... shut down Facebook????

khuey 6y ago

This line of argument can justify anything. Can we with 100% certainty say it wasn't organized by <insert whatever country you are from>? No? Time to start dropping bombs.

bawolff 6y ago

Honestly, that seems like an out there conspiracy to me. Not because china wouldn't do it, but because they don't have to. No point in taking the risk of orchastrating it if americans are going to do it themselves. And that is even assuming china is anti-trump. Geopolitically trump has been pretty good for china (at the cost of short term trade issues). I'd bet China cares more about long term gains over short term losses.

tooltalk 6y ago

So do you think Congress, both the House and Senate, also overwhelmingly voted to ban Tiktok because of the poor showing at Tulsa rally? smh

khuey 6y ago
Congress voted to ban it from federally owned computers which is much different than a blanket nationwide sanction.
- tooltalk 6y ago
  That's because Congress can't put a blanket nationwide sanction expediently -- it instead limited it to federal employees where they have absolutely authority, and pretty much cleared path for Trump's action.

op03 6y ago

After America goes and elects a jackass like Trump, how does it matter what the CCP or Russia is capable off? The whole discussion is unnecessary. If someone goes and flunks an exam due to their own incompetence, does it matter what external factors can make them flunk? Trump + other bizarre self important characters in his cabinet actually believe they know what they are doing. They don't. As to the CCP knowing what its doing is another total joke. The moves of both sides are like watching second graders working a tenth grade problem. Its true, the tantrums the second graders throw in frustration, can be entertaining or highly dramatic. But the trap people fall into is to focus on the tantrums, forgetting whats on blackboard and whether anyone in the room has the skills to solve it. This was all fine in the age of no information or hidden information. The game old men have learnt to play in that environment is an outdated game. Today with data overflowing about the nature of problems, about the grade level the people in the room the game changes. And what we choose to focus on will change too.

virtue3 6y ago
You under the assumption that Russia didn't tamper with both the US elections and Brexit. Which, seems to be false.

panpanna 6y ago

Do you hang around r/conspiracy a lot? Because those folks would miss a real conspiracy even if you hit them in the face with it, but are really good in finding conspiracies where there is none.

__bjoernd 6y ago

> If you can't say with 100% certain NO to these questions, and taking in account the US and China are in some sort of 'cold war', doesn't it make sense that the US goverment cuts the feet of an app that can change election results? You mean ... shut down Facebook????