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My problem is rarely the diagnosis; it's almost always the prescription. The right solution is to identify all of the sinks and sources (all of the events whic

My problem is rarely the diagnosis; it's almost always the prescription. The right solution is to identify all of the sinks and sources (all of the events which allow a voter to be added to or removed from voter eligibility) and work to integrate automated systems in a web. Birth recordings, death recordings, change of residency (at DMV, credit bureaus, tax bodies, etc), change of citizenship, change of felon status, etc. Anything short of this will bias voting for or against "the other side". I'm particularly frustrated by watching some states batch remove names from roles by using substring wildcards and also prevent same-day registration -- together these mean that people are unable to vote with no notice and insufficient time to restore their name to the roles.

Spooky23 6y ago
End of the day, exceptions make everything worse for everyone. I grew up in a republican town in New York. The lack of voter id didn’t hurt the local politicians. We should be happy that anybody tries to vote.
ooobit2 6y ago
Was it Isaac Asimov who pondered that man's goal is to automate itself out of existence? I don't get this lack of temperament with automation vs. direct labor. I've called out Amazon before, and I stick to my stance that that company is going to boom and bust because it is so automated. Just ponder what the current top complaints are from Amazon customers, regardless of what service they use...? Well, let's head on over to https://www.consumeraffairs.com/online/amazon.html?#sort=helpful&filter=1 https://www.consumeraffairs.com/online/amazon.html?#sort=hel... ... > I contacted customer service through chat on TWO separate occasions ... Well, it was never fixed. > To make matters worse, when you call they are not very helpful ... > Merchandise more often doesn't arrive on guaranteed delivery time and customer service is rather disinterested on resolving any issues. Those are the side effects of depending too heavily on automation. So, the charge that "anything short of [a web of automated services] will bias voting" is itself an insurmountable conflict. 1 in 10 mail-in ballots being rejected is an example of how automation isn't a solution in and of itself. States batch removing names with regex is an example. The same-day voter registration automation having a conflict with the purge of expired voter registrations is an example. Is it ever a smart idea to pour more salt on a wound if the sting is already unbearable? The right solution is a system with enough automation to make the various key election services meet 80% of expected use, and to have people independent of the election provide the necessary checks and balances to resolve anomalous scenarios. Whether that's citizens who surrender their right to vote, or a code that substitutes for the names and PI of candidates and voters, I don't know. But I do know that the sting is already unbearable. Can we just please put away the salt?
- thephyber 6y ago
  Fine: replace "automation" with "a process". Focus more on the core intent of what I said and be a little less pedantic.
  - ooobit2 6y ago
    You're right. Perhaps Apple should start with a box then build the iPhone to fit inside.

Spooky23 6y ago

End of the day, exceptions make everything worse for everyone. I grew up in a republican town in New York. The lack of voter id didn’t hurt the local politicians. We should be happy that anybody tries to vote.

ooobit2 6y ago

Was it Isaac Asimov who pondered that man's goal is to automate itself out of existence? I don't get this lack of temperament with automation vs. direct labor. I've called out Amazon before, and I stick to my stance that that company is going to boom and bust because it is so automated. Just ponder what the current top complaints are from Amazon customers, regardless of what service they use...? Well, let's head on over to https://www.consumeraffairs.com/online/amazon.html?#sort=helpful&filter=1 https://www.consumeraffairs.com/online/amazon.html?#sort=hel... ... > I contacted customer service through chat on TWO separate occasions ... Well, it was never fixed. > To make matters worse, when you call they are not very helpful ... > Merchandise more often doesn't arrive on guaranteed delivery time and customer service is rather disinterested on resolving any issues. Those are the side effects of depending too heavily on automation. So, the charge that "anything short of [a web of automated services] will bias voting" is itself an insurmountable conflict. 1 in 10 mail-in ballots being rejected is an example of how automation isn't a solution in and of itself. States batch removing names with regex is an example. The same-day voter registration automation having a conflict with the purge of expired voter registrations is an example. Is it ever a smart idea to pour more salt on a wound if the sting is already unbearable? The right solution is a system with enough automation to make the various key election services meet 80% of expected use, and to have people independent of the election provide the necessary checks and balances to resolve anomalous scenarios. Whether that's citizens who surrender their right to vote, or a code that substitutes for the names and PI of candidates and voters, I don't know. But I do know that the sting is already unbearable. Can we just please put away the salt?

thephyber 6y ago
Fine: replace "automation" with "a process". Focus more on the core intent of what I said and be a little less pedantic.
- ooobit2 6y ago
  You're right. Perhaps Apple should start with a box then build the iPhone to fit inside.