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Vote by mail works very well here in Oregon. Indeed, we only vote by mail. Here's our Republican secretary of state saying so: https://www.myoregon.gov/2020/06

by davidw 6y ago

Vote by mail works very well here in Oregon. Indeed, we only vote by mail. Here's our Republican secretary of state saying so: https://www.myoregon.gov/2020/06/19/vote-by-mail-works-especially-in-a-pandemic/ https://www.myoregon.gov/2020/06/19/vote-by-mail-works-espec...

RcouF1uZ4gsC 6y ago
>There are many security measures to guard against fraud, including a signature line on the outside of the envelope that is checked against a digital signature on file. Every single ballot envelope signature is compared to the signature in the voter file to make sure it is a match. Our election workers are trained in forensic handwriting analysis to determine whether a signature matches. Each ballot return envelope contains a unique barcode that cannot be duplicated to make sure that voters can only return one ballot. Voters can even go online to track their ballot to confirm that it was received and counted. It is a system that costs less, is more secure, and has a paper trail. There is a difference between a system that has been running for years and evolved to work, and one that is put together in an emergency. Some things of note. 1) They check signatures and the election workers have training in forensic handwriting analysis. 2) They use unique barcodes to prevent duplicates 3) They have a way to make sure your ballot was received and counted. I bet that for a lot of states ramping up mail in voting, they are missing one or more of the above.
- baddox 6y ago
  > There is a difference between a system that has been running for years and evolved to work, and one that is put together in an emergency. Some things of note. I don't really understand this argument. You list some things that we should do to have a secure vote-by-mail election, but you seem to be phrasing your argument as if it's an argument against vote-by-mail elections.
  - GhostVII 6y ago
    It is not an argument against vote-by-mail elections, it is an argument against mail elections on a short notice, where we don't have the time to implement those things effectively.
- rtkwe 6y ago
  Everywhere has vote by mail already it's largely a question of scale that's changing with this election.
  - davidw 6y ago
    Imagine if we'd started preparing when it was clear that things were serious.
    - rtkwe 6y ago
      Yeah, if only, but it was never going to happen with Trump in office. Everything is far too personal even beyond the gutting of institutions that's happened. It's crazy to me that things like temperature checks aren't more common, it's a relatively easy way to get control and open up more safely, but then the US isn't great at collective action. We're individualistic and contrarian to a fault.

by davidw 6y ago

RcouF1uZ4gsC 6y ago

>There are many security measures to guard against fraud, including a signature line on the outside of the envelope that is checked against a digital signature on file. Every single ballot envelope signature is compared to the signature in the voter file to make sure it is a match. Our election workers are trained in forensic handwriting analysis to determine whether a signature matches. Each ballot return envelope contains a unique barcode that cannot be duplicated to make sure that voters can only return one ballot. Voters can even go online to track their ballot to confirm that it was received and counted. It is a system that costs less, is more secure, and has a paper trail. There is a difference between a system that has been running for years and evolved to work, and one that is put together in an emergency. Some things of note. 1) They check signatures and the election workers have training in forensic handwriting analysis. 2) They use unique barcodes to prevent duplicates 3) They have a way to make sure your ballot was received and counted. I bet that for a lot of states ramping up mail in voting, they are missing one or more of the above.

baddox 6y ago
> There is a difference between a system that has been running for years and evolved to work, and one that is put together in an emergency. Some things of note. I don't really understand this argument. You list some things that we should do to have a secure vote-by-mail election, but you seem to be phrasing your argument as if it's an argument against vote-by-mail elections.
- GhostVII 6y ago
  It is not an argument against vote-by-mail elections, it is an argument against mail elections on a short notice, where we don't have the time to implement those things effectively.
rtkwe 6y ago
Everywhere has vote by mail already it's largely a question of scale that's changing with this election.
- davidw 6y ago
  Imagine if we'd started preparing when it was clear that things were serious.
  - rtkwe 6y ago
    Yeah, if only, but it was never going to happen with Trump in office. Everything is far too personal even beyond the gutting of institutions that's happened. It's crazy to me that things like temperature checks aren't more common, it's a relatively easy way to get control and open up more safely, but then the US isn't great at collective action. We're individualistic and contrarian to a fault.