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> tax hikes needed to make it work. Crazy how when you word polls to indicate that taxes would be "hiked," that people get spooked. Never mind how we'd save mo

> tax hikes needed to make it work. Crazy how when you word polls to indicate that taxes would be "hiked," that people get spooked. Never mind how we'd save money overall. > Trying to pass off m4a as a feasible plan isn’t real This is the real tragedy of the Bernie campaign. It wasn't feasible because it'd be spiked by Democrats in addition to Republicans. It's really heart-rending. You've got an entire voting base who simply can't imagine a better future where you're not squeezed for every cent, where you're not represented by people who are more focused on representing Pfizer, and where you don't have to be constantly in fear of accidentally getting cancer and, whoops, kids can't go to college now. Or say you catch a stray bullet, take an ambulance, and you're not covered--youre double fucked then.

sonotathrowaway 6y ago
See I guess that’s the exact reason I’m not a sanders supporter. I care about outcomes and couldn’t care less about the strategies used to get there. I see a public option as feasible, cost effective, minimally disruptive, and effective. I don’t fantasize about a 40 trillion dollar plan that would upend the largest American industry with uncertain effects. I’m especially not fantasizing about this effort being led by a man who spent his entire career in politics yet couldn’t manage to get a single large piece of legislation passed, and who actively burned his ties to the party he emigrated to because their politics weren’t radical enough.
- ianleeclark 6y ago
  Yeah, instead of all that fantasizing, you're instead fantasizing a world wherein 40 trillion was the quoted number. Again, when Tucker Carlson is the president, think long and hard about this moment.
  - sonotathrowaway 6y ago
    Sanders actually played fast & dumb about the m4a numbers, then attacked warren when she tried putting actual numbers to the plan and tried to make it feasible. And the plan would actually cost around 40 trillion over a decade to implement, sorry if you were misled. And didn’t sanders lose this primary worse than his first? Don’t blame us for whatever conservative you want to slot into the president slot next, blame sanders for campaigning for the past four years only to bank on Biden and Kamala splitting the black southern vote as his path to victory, then getting destroyed when that didn’t happen. There was no reason for him to antagonize those voters and tell them they don’t share his politics - at some point you’re just going to have to admit that sanders is a poor politician, as the rest of Washington has long realized.
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sonotathrowaway 6y ago

See I guess that’s the exact reason I’m not a sanders supporter. I care about outcomes and couldn’t care less about the strategies used to get there. I see a public option as feasible, cost effective, minimally disruptive, and effective. I don’t fantasize about a 40 trillion dollar plan that would upend the largest American industry with uncertain effects. I’m especially not fantasizing about this effort being led by a man who spent his entire career in politics yet couldn’t manage to get a single large piece of legislation passed, and who actively burned his ties to the party he emigrated to because their politics weren’t radical enough.

ianleeclark 6y ago
Yeah, instead of all that fantasizing, you're instead fantasizing a world wherein 40 trillion was the quoted number. Again, when Tucker Carlson is the president, think long and hard about this moment.
- sonotathrowaway 6y ago
  Sanders actually played fast & dumb about the m4a numbers, then attacked warren when she tried putting actual numbers to the plan and tried to make it feasible. And the plan would actually cost around 40 trillion over a decade to implement, sorry if you were misled. And didn’t sanders lose this primary worse than his first? Don’t blame us for whatever conservative you want to slot into the president slot next, blame sanders for campaigning for the past four years only to bank on Biden and Kamala splitting the black southern vote as his path to victory, then getting destroyed when that didn’t happen. There was no reason for him to antagonize those voters and tell them they don’t share his politics - at some point you’re just going to have to admit that sanders is a poor politician, as the rest of Washington has long realized.
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