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Sweden has it way way worse than all its neighbors. Six thousand people left dead. Compare to 150 in Finland.

sharken 6y ago
Comparing the French and the Swedish numbers seem to indicate that the virus ran rampant in France for a shorter period, while it was less severe but was active over a twice as long period in Sweden. To me it is a bit of a mystery why France, who arguably did a lot to contain the virus, ended up with a more or less identical result as Sweden did. Sweden: https://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/?chart=countries-normalized&highlight=Sweden&show=25&y=both&scale=linear&data=deaths-daily-7&data-source=jhu&xaxis=left#countries-normalized https://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/?chart=countr... France: https://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/?chart=countries-normalized&highlight=France&show=25&y=both&scale=linear&data=deaths-daily-7&data-source=jhu&xaxis=left#countries-normalized https://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/?chart=countr... Sweden actually had 11.057 deaths in December 1993 which is still a bit more than the 10.458 deaths for April 2020. But the difference in public and government reaction to those two events is like night and day. Source: https://emanuelkarlsten.se/more-swedes-died-in-one-month-1993-and-2000-compared-to-april-2020-why/ https://emanuelkarlsten.se/more-swedes-died-in-one-month-199...
- garblegarble 6y ago
  >To me it is a bit of a mystery why France, who arguably did a lot to contain the virus, ended up with a more or less identical result as Sweden did. Are they, though? The long tail in Sweden seems to suggest a much larger per capita death count overall doesn't it? Wouldn't the initial peak in France and Sweden being the same suggest these are all deaths from the very start of the pandemic? People take a while to die. The work France did to contain the virus seems to explain the fairly rapid tail-off to zero, vs the slow tail-off in Sweden. I'd imagine -- with no evidence to back it up, mind you -- that there are likely also a lot of Swedes who took their own protective measures despite their government?
guenthert 6y ago
Well, since Sweden did little to "flatten the curve" they had more death, earlier. That won't change the total. Look at the number again in two or three years. Not that there's a reason to lose sleep over six thousand dead in a country of ten million (some 80000 die every year anyhow).
- Gravityloss 6y ago
  It was less virulent and more deadly than some people thought originally. There were estimates that the factor of real cases compared to positive test result was really high - that a lot of people were infected but asymptomatic. Turned out to be wrong. So the "let it spread, it can't be stopped" strategy turned out to be wrong and caused a lot of deaths. The countries who had more serious isolation measures had a lot lower amount of deaths.

Comparing the French and the Swedish numbers seem to indicate that the virus ran rampant in France for a shorter period, while it was less severe but was active over a twice as long period in Sweden. To me it is a bit of a mystery why France, who arguably did a lot to contain the virus, ended up with a more or less identical result as Sweden did. Sweden: https://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/?chart=countries-normalized&highlight=Sweden&show=25&y=both&scale=linear&data=deaths-daily-7&data-source=jhu&xaxis=left#countries-normalized https://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/?chart=countr... France: https://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/?chart=countries-normalized&highlight=France&show=25&y=both&scale=linear&data=deaths-daily-7&data-source=jhu&xaxis=left#countries-normalized https://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/?chart=countr... Sweden actually had 11.057 deaths in December 1993 which is still a bit more than the 10.458 deaths for April 2020. But the difference in public and government reaction to those two events is like night and day. Source: https://emanuelkarlsten.se/more-swedes-died-in-one-month-1993-and-2000-compared-to-april-2020-why/ https://emanuelkarlsten.se/more-swedes-died-in-one-month-199...

garblegarble 6y ago
>To me it is a bit of a mystery why France, who arguably did a lot to contain the virus, ended up with a more or less identical result as Sweden did. Are they, though? The long tail in Sweden seems to suggest a much larger per capita death count overall doesn't it? Wouldn't the initial peak in France and Sweden being the same suggest these are all deaths from the very start of the pandemic? People take a while to die. The work France did to contain the virus seems to explain the fairly rapid tail-off to zero, vs the slow tail-off in Sweden. I'd imagine -- with no evidence to back it up, mind you -- that there are likely also a lot of Swedes who took their own protective measures despite their government?

guenthert 6y ago

Well, since Sweden did little to "flatten the curve" they had more death, earlier. That won't change the total. Look at the number again in two or three years. Not that there's a reason to lose sleep over six thousand dead in a country of ten million (some 80000 die every year anyhow).

Gravityloss 6y ago
It was less virulent and more deadly than some people thought originally. There were estimates that the factor of real cases compared to positive test result was really high - that a lot of people were infected but asymptomatic. Turned out to be wrong. So the "let it spread, it can't be stopped" strategy turned out to be wrong and caused a lot of deaths. The countries who had more serious isolation measures had a lot lower amount of deaths.