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System apps are right there with every single 3rd party app in terms of control though. They have an explanation just like Apple requires in general, and you ca

by xoa 6y ago

System apps are right there with every single 3rd party app in terms of control though. They have an explanation just like Apple requires in general, and you can turn off location or whatever else usage. If I go to Settings > Privacy > Location Services, "Camera" is right there with the standard indicator for that it has been used, a "While Using the App" set, and "App explanation: 'Photos and videos will be tagged with the location where they are taken.'" The options for Never and Always are there. The only complaint here seems to be that the bootstrapping for granting permission is part of the initial device setup screen and location services, but that seems perfectly reasonable in line with user expectations for default system services on fresh system. I strongly disagree that "fairness" somehow is a valid complaint here in the way GP suggested. On the contrary, insisting Apple is equivalent to 3rd parties is itself "unfair" as well as wrong.

jeffbee 6y ago
My complaint is not about the initial permission, it's about the thing that regularly appears in iOS to suggest that you might have changed your mind and would you like to disable location access for some app. This never pops up for Apple's apps. There's also another way they exempt themselves, by allowing you to disable microphone for third-party apps but not offering to disable microphone access for Voice Memos, Camera, etc. On Android I can disable the microphone for any first-party app, even the Phone app which obviously needs it.
- saurik 6y ago
  Yeah: I get this prompt over and over again for the Tile application, and it is ridiculously annoying; if/when Apple launches their own Tile competitor, obviously their app will not be subject to the same handicap, and people might very well choose Apple's version simply because they won't get nagged constantly "are you sure you like Tile?!". That's clear anti-competitive behavior, in the same space as "tying" and "bundling": when Apple builds products that can be built using their platform, they need to be forced to not take advantage of the fact that they are the developer of the platform to give themself preferential treatment vs. the products, as if you allow that then you essentially always annoint the platform providers as the winners in any battle they are want to enter... the result of which being that you always end up with an oligopoly of giant companies owning every important market (and if you want to compete you have to take them on as network effect platforms) instead of separate oligopolies (let's face it: economy of scale effects pretty much always cause oligopolies in free markets :/ the only time that doesn't happen is if you hold a market space no one considers important) for every major market built on that platform (and then as a cross-cutting concern of said platforms; like, the market for bluetooth location dongles and voice assistants and browsers shouldn't be exactly the same game as the market for mobile phones and computers).
  - saagarjha 6y ago
    Being unfamiliar with how Tile really works, what is it using your location in the background for?

by xoa 6y ago

jeffbee 6y ago

My complaint is not about the initial permission, it's about the thing that regularly appears in iOS to suggest that you might have changed your mind and would you like to disable location access for some app. This never pops up for Apple's apps. There's also another way they exempt themselves, by allowing you to disable microphone for third-party apps but not offering to disable microphone access for Voice Memos, Camera, etc. On Android I can disable the microphone for any first-party app, even the Phone app which obviously needs it.

saurik 6y ago
Yeah: I get this prompt over and over again for the Tile application, and it is ridiculously annoying; if/when Apple launches their own Tile competitor, obviously their app will not be subject to the same handicap, and people might very well choose Apple's version simply because they won't get nagged constantly "are you sure you like Tile?!". That's clear anti-competitive behavior, in the same space as "tying" and "bundling": when Apple builds products that can be built using their platform, they need to be forced to not take advantage of the fact that they are the developer of the platform to give themself preferential treatment vs. the products, as if you allow that then you essentially always annoint the platform providers as the winners in any battle they are want to enter... the result of which being that you always end up with an oligopoly of giant companies owning every important market (and if you want to compete you have to take them on as network effect platforms) instead of separate oligopolies (let's face it: economy of scale effects pretty much always cause oligopolies in free markets :/ the only time that doesn't happen is if you hold a market space no one considers important) for every major market built on that platform (and then as a cross-cutting concern of said platforms; like, the market for bluetooth location dongles and voice assistants and browsers shouldn't be exactly the same game as the market for mobile phones and computers).
- saagarjha 6y ago
  Being unfamiliar with how Tile really works, what is it using your location in the background for?