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I’m very sure. Do you actually have an issue with the substance of what I said? Obviously I’m not going to link you to all my online accounts to prove to you wh

by ailun 6y ago

I’m very sure. Do you actually have an issue with the substance of what I said? Obviously I’m not going to link you to all my online accounts to prove to you whether I’ve sufficiently criticized the US. I’m going to very briefly reply to your second point, because I don’t think you’re discussing in good faith. Whether or not the US does something wrong is irrelevant to the rightness or wrongness of China’s actions, because I don’t think the US is some sort of Platonic ideal of a perfect state. My thought process is not: US good, China different, therefore bad.

UIZealot 6y ago
I'm glad you are so sure. Maybe the new national security law of HK is less than the Platonic ideal of a perfect law. Is it also fair to say that you think the National Security Law of the US is bad too? Since chloerei stated that it "is broader and stricter than China" and you didn't refute it. Can you elaborate on that? Since it's your own country and you should be much better informed to comment on that than on the HK law.
- ailun 6y ago
  There is no law named "National Security Law" in the United States, he was just using it as a poor deflection, as you know. Once he linked a specific law, I elaborated. You can check it out if you actually care.
  - UIZealot 6y ago
    I checked it, and the case you linked, out. So there is a similar law in the US, even though it's not named "National Security Law". And you can be prosecuted under that law. How different is it really, from the situation in HK and the national security law?
    - ailun 6y ago
      Well, one difference is that the Supreme Court basically killed the law as written because it conflicted with the 1st Amendment. Can you find anyone who has been prosecuted since the case I linked? Prosecutors aren’t going to use the law anymore because any judge all over the country will reject the argument. Look up how legal precedent works, I guess... Do you think that will happen in Hong Kong? The Hong Kong law is also far broader and more vague. Look, I don’t think I’ll be replying to you further. You’re not trying to actually learn anything, you’re extremely disingenuous, and you don’t raise any interesting points, or really any coherent argument at all. If you want to learn more about the difference between China’s legal system, or the neutered Hong Kong legal system, and the US, do it on your own. I’m not going to hold your hand anymore.

by ailun 6y ago

UIZealot 6y ago

I'm glad you are so sure. Maybe the new national security law of HK is less than the Platonic ideal of a perfect law. Is it also fair to say that you think the National Security Law of the US is bad too? Since chloerei stated that it "is broader and stricter than China" and you didn't refute it. Can you elaborate on that? Since it's your own country and you should be much better informed to comment on that than on the HK law.

ailun 6y ago
There is no law named "National Security Law" in the United States, he was just using it as a poor deflection, as you know. Once he linked a specific law, I elaborated. You can check it out if you actually care.
- UIZealot 6y ago
  I checked it, and the case you linked, out. So there is a similar law in the US, even though it's not named "National Security Law". And you can be prosecuted under that law. How different is it really, from the situation in HK and the national security law?
  - ailun 6y ago
    Well, one difference is that the Supreme Court basically killed the law as written because it conflicted with the 1st Amendment. Can you find anyone who has been prosecuted since the case I linked? Prosecutors aren’t going to use the law anymore because any judge all over the country will reject the argument. Look up how legal precedent works, I guess... Do you think that will happen in Hong Kong? The Hong Kong law is also far broader and more vague. Look, I don’t think I’ll be replying to you further. You’re not trying to actually learn anything, you’re extremely disingenuous, and you don’t raise any interesting points, or really any coherent argument at all. If you want to learn more about the difference between China’s legal system, or the neutered Hong Kong legal system, and the US, do it on your own. I’m not going to hold your hand anymore.