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I'd like to understand more about this and your thoughts. Have you had experience using XMPP this way? Is there a specific reason why this wouldn't / shouldn't

by rexreed 16y ago

I'd like to understand more about this and your thoughts. Have you had experience using XMPP this way? Is there a specific reason why this wouldn't / shouldn't work? I know you prefer the other approaches, but other than simply preferring them, what is the issue with using XMPP this way? Specifically, what if the scenario is enabling communication between servers that you have limited control over and do not have shell / root access to install or manage a server? In this case, there wouldn't be an opportunity to install redis, 0mq, or amqp. The database approach might work, but the servers are distributed and might not allow remote connections. Why wouldn't XMPP work in this scenario using a public XMPP server? I'd like to learn more!

seiji 16y ago
First, XMPP obviously works. Google Chat is XMPP. Facebook Chat is XMPP (ejabberd). But SOAP works too. Doesn't mean I want to use it. My problem with XMPP is best illustrated by XEP-0060, the pubsub extension proposal: http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0060.html http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0060.html -- I don't have time to figure out that monstrosity. AMQP is at the limit of complexity as far as pubsub things go. It's complex enough to need explaining, but simple enough were you can understand it in an hour. If you want an in-depth discussion war about pros and cons, ask your question both on the redis mailing list and on the rabbitmq mailing list. I'd be interested in seeing how both communities respond to your requirement of running on limited access servers.
- rexreed 16y ago
  Thanks for the response! Ok, so to summarize, XMPP works, but in your opinion, it's simply too complex to "figure out"? Basically, in my scenario, it could very well work as optimally as we want it to if we give ourselves time to understand it? I wish I could use zeromq or redis or amqp, but it just is not an option in this environment. I was wondering if there was some solid technical reason to not use XMPP, but it looks like there isn't one... it's just a matter of personal preference and wanting to avoid spending time on something. I'll charge ahead with the XMPP implementation in our scenario unless there's a good reason someone can see why not to.

by rexreed 16y ago

seiji 16y ago

First, XMPP obviously works. Google Chat is XMPP. Facebook Chat is XMPP (ejabberd). But SOAP works too. Doesn't mean I want to use it. My problem with XMPP is best illustrated by XEP-0060, the pubsub extension proposal: http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0060.html http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0060.html -- I don't have time to figure out that monstrosity. AMQP is at the limit of complexity as far as pubsub things go. It's complex enough to need explaining, but simple enough were you can understand it in an hour. If you want an in-depth discussion war about pros and cons, ask your question both on the redis mailing list and on the rabbitmq mailing list. I'd be interested in seeing how both communities respond to your requirement of running on limited access servers.

rexreed 16y ago
Thanks for the response! Ok, so to summarize, XMPP works, but in your opinion, it's simply too complex to "figure out"? Basically, in my scenario, it could very well work as optimally as we want it to if we give ourselves time to understand it? I wish I could use zeromq or redis or amqp, but it just is not an option in this environment. I was wondering if there was some solid technical reason to not use XMPP, but it looks like there isn't one... it's just a matter of personal preference and wanting to avoid spending time on something. I'll charge ahead with the XMPP implementation in our scenario unless there's a good reason someone can see why not to.