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That was the whole linchpin behind Japanese expansionism. Japanese government realized that they are behind in development both technological and economical.

That was the whole linchpin behind Japanese expansionism. Japanese government realized that they are behind in development both technological and economical. Those were the colonized countries. So to avoid being colonized, they did all in their power to become colonizers themselves. The irony is that out of all colonized countries the Japanese colonies were the one that net benefited from colonization. At the cost of brutal oppression and atrocities, but Japanese considered those their 'land' and instead focusing purely on extraction of wealth (europen model) they were developing infrastructure. All in all, the whole 'colonization was not so bad' is whitewashing of history. And we should stop putting positive light on it. Just because one slave owner was 'good' it doesn't make slavery justified.

claudeganon 6y ago
> The irony is that out of all colonized countries the Japanese colonies were the one that net benefited from colonization. This is a completely inaccurate representation of the various Japanese colonial projects. While some historians might refer to what became Taiwan in these terms, very few would say the same of Korea or the territories in China the Japanese occupied. In fact, the viciousness and extractive nature of the Japanese colonial projects are what justified to many the corollary anti-colonial violence that eventually escalated into civil war in the Korean peninsula. For example,An Jung-geun, who assassinated the Japanese colonial administrator Ito Hirobumi, is still considered a national hero in both the north and the south.
DamnYuppie 6y ago
I don't disagree that colonization was not a good thing. Yet in all of human history we have struggled against one another for dominion of land and resources. How is colonization really any different then all the other wars/conquests done before? Or is simply that it was done on such a scale that sets it apart or is it the relative nearness of it historically that brings it more to relevance for people?
randompwd 6y ago
> All in all, the whole 'colonization was not so bad' is whitewashing of history. And we should stop putting positive light on it. Just because one slave owner was 'good' it doesn't make slavery justified Eh, you're whitewashing history right there. Projecting today's morals,values & information on to a past people who did not have those who were raised when the norm was the norm. Savagery existed throughout mankind and to think otherwise is silly. Every land had tribes who may have formed an alliance but also would have just as likely killed & enslaved others outside their tribe. _Every_ land.
- me_me_me 6y ago
  > Projecting today's morals,values & information on to a past people who did not have those who were raised when the norm was the norm. Of course we can and we do that, that is the only way we progress as a species. Killing and enslaving is objectively wrong, no matter if you are 15th century peasant or 20 cent soldier. What next? Ethnic cleansing are/were not so bad as they result in strengthening of national coherence? Eugenics is simply caring for the future generations? Its a slippery slope argument giving a pass to past actions as they 'didn't know' its bad what they had done. > Savagery existed throughout mankind and to think otherwise is silly. I have not said that you are building a straw-man here. I advocate not to call the savagery act anything but savagery. >Every land had tribes who may have formed an alliance but also would have just as likely killed & enslaved others outside their tribe. _Every_ land. So that gives me a right to kill you and enslave your family?

claudeganon 6y ago

> The irony is that out of all colonized countries the Japanese colonies were the one that net benefited from colonization. This is a completely inaccurate representation of the various Japanese colonial projects. While some historians might refer to what became Taiwan in these terms, very few would say the same of Korea or the territories in China the Japanese occupied. In fact, the viciousness and extractive nature of the Japanese colonial projects are what justified to many the corollary anti-colonial violence that eventually escalated into civil war in the Korean peninsula. For example,An Jung-geun, who assassinated the Japanese colonial administrator Ito Hirobumi, is still considered a national hero in both the north and the south.

DamnYuppie 6y ago

I don't disagree that colonization was not a good thing. Yet in all of human history we have struggled against one another for dominion of land and resources. How is colonization really any different then all the other wars/conquests done before? Or is simply that it was done on such a scale that sets it apart or is it the relative nearness of it historically that brings it more to relevance for people?

randompwd 6y ago

> All in all, the whole 'colonization was not so bad' is whitewashing of history. And we should stop putting positive light on it. Just because one slave owner was 'good' it doesn't make slavery justified Eh, you're whitewashing history right there. Projecting today's morals,values & information on to a past people who did not have those who were raised when the norm was the norm. Savagery existed throughout mankind and to think otherwise is silly. Every land had tribes who may have formed an alliance but also would have just as likely killed & enslaved others outside their tribe. _Every_ land.

me_me_me 6y ago
> Projecting today's morals,values & information on to a past people who did not have those who were raised when the norm was the norm. Of course we can and we do that, that is the only way we progress as a species. Killing and enslaving is objectively wrong, no matter if you are 15th century peasant or 20 cent soldier. What next? Ethnic cleansing are/were not so bad as they result in strengthening of national coherence? Eugenics is simply caring for the future generations? Its a slippery slope argument giving a pass to past actions as they 'didn't know' its bad what they had done. > Savagery existed throughout mankind and to think otherwise is silly. I have not said that you are building a straw-man here. I advocate not to call the savagery act anything but savagery. >Every land had tribes who may have formed an alliance but also would have just as likely killed & enslaved others outside their tribe. _Every_ land. So that gives me a right to kill you and enslave your family?