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Marmelada (and by the looks of it goiabada) are a very different thing to Marmalade. I have had quince cheese here in the UK which effectively seem to be a form

by Nursie 6y ago

Marmelada (and by the looks of it goiabada) are a very different thing to Marmalade. I have had quince cheese here in the UK which effectively seem to be a form of marmelada. Both are tasty but I wouldn't consider one to be "better" than the other, any more than I would consider peanut butter to be "better" than dijon mustard. Marmalade is a form of citrus jam, very sweet, usually very sharp, and containing candied citrus peel. It's generally eaten on toast for breakfast. Quince cheese (in the UK) is generally less sweet, is a quince paste rather than a jam, and is used as an accompaniment to hard cheeses as an alternative to chutney. I believe this is how it is largely eaten in Spain, too, with manchego. So while both marmelada and goiabada are great (I presume, having not tried goiabada), it's really a different thing to marmalade.

JoeAltmaier 6y ago
A different history, credits Marmalade as a successor to decades of Marmelada import - that it simply got less leathery and more jammy to suit the market. But that sounds apocryphal once I read the OP.
DoingIsLearning 6y ago
I disagree, just because they are different in taste doesn't mean they are not historically related. Portuguese 'Marmelada' is absolutely a historic ancestor of the british version. Atlas obscura has a good article on this. [0] [0] https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/what-is-marmelada https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/what-is-marmelada
- Nursie 6y ago
  Sure, the word for one was derived from the other, but the recipes are very different, as are the end products. So much so that they occupy separate culinary niches, and I wouldn't consider them to be 'versions' of the same thing. See also US/British flapjacks.
  - DoingIsLearning 6y ago
    Again, it is not just shared words. The earliest references to the orange version of marmalade, was marmalade made for Queen Catherine of Braganza (A portuguese noblewoman in the british court). It's innacurate to claim they are just phonetically related.
    - Nursie 6y ago
      Right, but since then "marmalade" has become a citrus jam containing the candied peel of the fruit, far more like other jams, and really quite dissimilar to the quince product from which it draws its name. It's merely a categorisation thing I suppose, but to me they occupy very different niches, and saying one is better than the other is comparing quinces to oranges...
    - setr 6y ago
      The question isn't whether they're historically related, but whether they are sufficiently similar as to be comparative -- the american hotdog and the german sausage may have shared elements, and presumably shared roots, and I wouldn't doubt that the hotdog is a modified sausage -- but they are so distinctly different in taste, texture, quality, usecase and goals, that it doesn't really make sense to say that the german sausage is a better hotdog, or vice versa. Even if the hotdog was still called a sausage. (and sticking a full sausage on a hotdog bun? A criminal act if I ever saw one) If it doesn't look like a duck, and it doesn't quack like a duck, then it ain't a duck. Even if you called it a duck the last 500 years, it still ain't a duck -- at least, it's not a duck like my duck's a duck.
teleforce 6y ago
I've spent many years living in the UK, to put it politely British food is rather fulfilling but it is nothing to write home about. Fun fact, British will happily tell you that they are eating out for X dinner tonight, and X can be Arabic, Chinese, Indian, etc but never British :-) I kind of like British fish and chips, the staple food for British people. But then once I've tasted Spanish fish and chips in Costa del Sol, I have just realised that I've not tasted a real fish & chips! But the main reason I am looking forward for breakfast in any British eatery or any of their Bed & Breakfast apart from their wonderful Earl Grey tea, it will be their delicious marmalade. If I've remembered correctly, I have fallen in love in the very first bite!
- Nursie 6y ago
  > but never British :-) To be fair though, a lot probably wouldn't consider the main place you get "British" food, the pub, as "eating out" because it's rather less formal. > but it is nothing to write home about I'll grant you that it's very, very variable, and the quality of a lot of pub food is crap in a lot of places. However there are lots of pubs that you can get very good British food (my local, for example - https://www.dancingmanbrewery.co.uk/food-glorious-food/restaurant-menu/ https://www.dancingmanbrewery.co.uk/food-glorious-food/resta...). You just have to know where you're going. And probably pay quite a lot for the good stuff. And avoid the chains. There are many good, British restaurants around too - places like the Hawksmoor in London, or the Oxford Brasserie here in Southampton (the menu is here - https://www.theoxfordbrasserie.co.uk/menu https://www.theoxfordbrasserie.co.uk/menu). I wouldn't necessarily say I was going out "for British food" when I was visiting them though. Do Thai people say they're going out for Thai food if they head out to eat in their home country? (I have no idea!)
  - teruakohatu 6y ago
    Your local is a nice looking pub, and I like the doggie menu, but would you call it Birtish food? The starters seem British but the mains are burgers, ribs and fish.
    - Nursie 6y ago
kroltan 6y ago
If you ever get the chance, do try goiabada! It's not the same kind of taste (goiabada is usually very sweet rather than sharp, though some can be both - the "goiabada cascão" as it is called is usually sharper, but still predominantly sweet). It is also often paired with cheese, both hard as well as the local "queijo minas", especially the "frescal" variety, which is a very young kind of cheese. That being said, I haven't had UK marmalade to be able to compare, I'm coming from my experience in marmelada and extrapolating from there.
- pythonwizz 6y ago
  It is also often paired with cheese, both hard as well as the local "queijo minas", especially the "frescal" variety, which is a very young kind of cheese. "Romeo e Julietta"
  - kroltan 6y ago
    Yep, I didn't mention it because it is just the name of the pairing, not a specific product, and I'd already mentioned a lot of names.
- Nursie 6y ago
  It's definitely going on the list :)

by Nursie 6y ago

JoeAltmaier 6y ago

A different history, credits Marmalade as a successor to decades of Marmelada import - that it simply got less leathery and more jammy to suit the market. But that sounds apocryphal once I read the OP.

DoingIsLearning 6y ago

I disagree, just because they are different in taste doesn't mean they are not historically related. Portuguese 'Marmelada' is absolutely a historic ancestor of the british version. Atlas obscura has a good article on this. [0] [0] https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/what-is-marmelada https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/what-is-marmelada

Nursie 6y ago
Sure, the word for one was derived from the other, but the recipes are very different, as are the end products. So much so that they occupy separate culinary niches, and I wouldn't consider them to be 'versions' of the same thing. See also US/British flapjacks.
- DoingIsLearning 6y ago
  Again, it is not just shared words. The earliest references to the orange version of marmalade, was marmalade made for Queen Catherine of Braganza (A portuguese noblewoman in the british court). It's innacurate to claim they are just phonetically related.
  - Nursie 6y ago
    Right, but since then "marmalade" has become a citrus jam containing the candied peel of the fruit, far more like other jams, and really quite dissimilar to the quince product from which it draws its name. It's merely a categorisation thing I suppose, but to me they occupy very different niches, and saying one is better than the other is comparing quinces to oranges...
  - setr 6y ago
    The question isn't whether they're historically related, but whether they are sufficiently similar as to be comparative -- the american hotdog and the german sausage may have shared elements, and presumably shared roots, and I wouldn't doubt that the hotdog is a modified sausage -- but they are so distinctly different in taste, texture, quality, usecase and goals, that it doesn't really make sense to say that the german sausage is a better hotdog, or vice versa. Even if the hotdog was still called a sausage. (and sticking a full sausage on a hotdog bun? A criminal act if I ever saw one) If it doesn't look like a duck, and it doesn't quack like a duck, then it ain't a duck. Even if you called it a duck the last 500 years, it still ain't a duck -- at least, it's not a duck like my duck's a duck.

teleforce 6y ago

I've spent many years living in the UK, to put it politely British food is rather fulfilling but it is nothing to write home about. Fun fact, British will happily tell you that they are eating out for X dinner tonight, and X can be Arabic, Chinese, Indian, etc but never British :-) I kind of like British fish and chips, the staple food for British people. But then once I've tasted Spanish fish and chips in Costa del Sol, I have just realised that I've not tasted a real fish & chips! But the main reason I am looking forward for breakfast in any British eatery or any of their Bed & Breakfast apart from their wonderful Earl Grey tea, it will be their delicious marmalade. If I've remembered correctly, I have fallen in love in the very first bite!

Nursie 6y ago
> but never British :-) To be fair though, a lot probably wouldn't consider the main place you get "British" food, the pub, as "eating out" because it's rather less formal. > but it is nothing to write home about I'll grant you that it's very, very variable, and the quality of a lot of pub food is crap in a lot of places. However there are lots of pubs that you can get very good British food (my local, for example - https://www.dancingmanbrewery.co.uk/food-glorious-food/restaurant-menu/ https://www.dancingmanbrewery.co.uk/food-glorious-food/resta...). You just have to know where you're going. And probably pay quite a lot for the good stuff. And avoid the chains. There are many good, British restaurants around too - places like the Hawksmoor in London, or the Oxford Brasserie here in Southampton (the menu is here - https://www.theoxfordbrasserie.co.uk/menu https://www.theoxfordbrasserie.co.uk/menu). I wouldn't necessarily say I was going out "for British food" when I was visiting them though. Do Thai people say they're going out for Thai food if they head out to eat in their home country? (I have no idea!)
- teruakohatu 6y ago
  Your local is a nice looking pub, and I like the doggie menu, but would you call it Birtish food? The starters seem British but the mains are burgers, ribs and fish.
  - Nursie 6y ago

kroltan 6y ago

If you ever get the chance, do try goiabada! It's not the same kind of taste (goiabada is usually very sweet rather than sharp, though some can be both - the "goiabada cascão" as it is called is usually sharper, but still predominantly sweet). It is also often paired with cheese, both hard as well as the local "queijo minas", especially the "frescal" variety, which is a very young kind of cheese. That being said, I haven't had UK marmalade to be able to compare, I'm coming from my experience in marmelada and extrapolating from there.

pythonwizz 6y ago
It is also often paired with cheese, both hard as well as the local "queijo minas", especially the "frescal" variety, which is a very young kind of cheese. "Romeo e Julietta"
- kroltan 6y ago
  Yep, I didn't mention it because it is just the name of the pairing, not a specific product, and I'd already mentioned a lot of names.
Nursie 6y ago
It's definitely going on the list :)