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This is a very rosy presentation of westerners that I'd go so far as to say is a lie that western people tell themselves. Where is the protection for critics of

This is a very rosy presentation of westerners that I'd go so far as to say is a lie that western people tell themselves. Where is the protection for critics of progressivism when they lose their jobs in the US for example? Where is the outcry when Europeans advocating collecting racial information during crimes get blanketly labeled racist for something that's standard practice across the world? The west has rapidly been devolving into authoritarianism as well, it's simply social authoritarianism rather than government authoritarianism.

tomp 6y ago
> it's simply social authoritarianism rather than government authoritarianism While I agree that "social authoritarianism" is pretty shitty, I'll take it over "government authoritarianism" any day of the week (mind you, we're commenting on a story about someone being jailed for speech, not just fired).
- eie7eu3hrruur 6y ago
  Sometimes that social mob burns your business down and then calls you short-sighted or racist for not being supportive anymore. There's a difference sure but it's not quite as night and day as fired vs. dead.
  - toxik 6y ago
    The CCP will put you in an "education camp" if you don't agree with their ideas. Survivors from these camps are present all over the world, it is no secret - neither their existence, or how they work. As an old Chinese man said, "love, ideals, loyalty, none of that matters anymore once your food is taken away." You _will_ report your family as traitors if that's what is standing between you and starvation. We must never excuse the horrors going on in China, and we must always recognize that civil unrest is always the symptom, never the disease.
pas 6y ago
"Critics of progressivism", you mean bigoted homophobes/xenophobes/racists/white-supremacists? The other critics are themselves also progressives, and they do voice their concerns, eg Steven Pinker.

tomp 6y ago

> it's simply social authoritarianism rather than government authoritarianism While I agree that "social authoritarianism" is pretty shitty, I'll take it over "government authoritarianism" any day of the week (mind you, we're commenting on a story about someone being jailed for speech, not just fired).

eie7eu3hrruur 6y ago
Sometimes that social mob burns your business down and then calls you short-sighted or racist for not being supportive anymore. There's a difference sure but it's not quite as night and day as fired vs. dead.
- toxik 6y ago
  The CCP will put you in an "education camp" if you don't agree with their ideas. Survivors from these camps are present all over the world, it is no secret - neither their existence, or how they work. As an old Chinese man said, "love, ideals, loyalty, none of that matters anymore once your food is taken away." You _will_ report your family as traitors if that's what is standing between you and starvation. We must never excuse the horrors going on in China, and we must always recognize that civil unrest is always the symptom, never the disease.

pas 6y ago

"Critics of progressivism", you mean bigoted homophobes/xenophobes/racists/white-supremacists? The other critics are themselves also progressives, and they do voice their concerns, eg Steven Pinker.