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I'm sure when someone gives you the choice between continued employment and following the ethical standard you'll choose to follow the ethical standard. I mean

I'm sure when someone gives you the choice between continued employment and following the ethical standard you'll choose to follow the ethical standard. I mean, don't get me wrong, there are clear scenarios where I think many of us would choose to lose the job. For instance, I'll go unemployed vs directly causing someone to die. But those slightly more ambiguous scenarios are where we need to be enforcing it on a legislative level and the onus should be on ALL levels of the company (engineering and management).

austincheney 6y ago
That is the difference between an industry with ethics and an industry without. When ethics are the standard of employment an ethics violation prevents employement at any employer. An example is a lawyer having a disagreement with their law firm may lose their job, but they are still employable. On the other hand if that lawyer loses their law license they lose their current job and cannot get another job at any law firm. In that very real scenario when there is a choice between employment and following the ethical standard the choice is always clearly the later.
Kednicma 6y ago
I've told upper management directly, in front of their employees, that they're breaking the law. That was a fun day; my director directly told me to not be a trouble-maker and to knock it off if I wanted to keep my job. Ultimately, upper management elected to follow federal law, and I was dismissed for no reason a year later. It wasn't about whether or not I got to keep my job; upper management was effectively disenfranchising other employees with their policy. Who cares about my job if it must come at the expense of my team's jobs? Moreover, managers aren't somehow better people than engineers. They don't get to be less moral just because they have less to do.

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I'm sure when someone gives you the choice between continued employment and following the ethical standard you'll choose to follow the ethical standard. I mean

by ShinTakuya 6y ago

austincheney 6y ago
That is the difference between an industry with ethics and an industry without. When ethics are the standard of employment an ethics violation prevents employement at any employer. An example is a lawyer having a disagreement with their law firm may lose their job, but they are still employable. On the other hand if that lawyer loses their law license they lose their current job and cannot get another job at any law firm. In that very real scenario when there is a choice between employment and following the ethical standard the choice is always clearly the later.
Kednicma 6y ago
I've told upper management directly, in front of their employees, that they're breaking the law. That was a fun day; my director directly told me to not be a trouble-maker and to knock it off if I wanted to keep my job. Ultimately, upper management elected to follow federal law, and I was dismissed for no reason a year later. It wasn't about whether or not I got to keep my job; upper management was effectively disenfranchising other employees with their policy. Who cares about my job if it must come at the expense of my team's jobs? Moreover, managers aren't somehow better people than engineers. They don't get to be less moral just because they have less to do.