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I have to aggree with a lot of statements made in the post. Both left and right have become more extreme defending their views, calling out 'offenders'. Here's

I have to aggree with a lot of statements made in the post. Both left and right have become more extreme defending their views, calling out 'offenders'. Here's a small sample from across the ocean. We used to have legal and illegal immigrants in Slovenia. Most countries still do. But since leftist media found illegal to be a non-correct word they simply started using another one (prebežniki - could be translated as runaways). This in a way signifies their humanity but I ask myself what's wrong with calling a criminal a criminal? I guess the left/right zeal is a response to politics ignoring those opinions and it's likely to get much worse until either side gets some changes into motion.

xook 6y ago
> but I ask myself what's wrong with calling a criminal a criminal? Certain leftists–typically the loud ones–throw away the notion of international borders and private land ownership. With this in mind, the idea to them that any one person is anywhere illegally is offensive.
locopati 6y ago
i can't speak for the situation in Slovenia - speaking from an US standpoint - 'illegal immigrant' puts the focus on the immigrant who is generally escaping one crappy situation for a better opportunity and generally doing the shit-work nobody else wants to do - the person is not illegal, they are undocumented (which is a misdemeanor offense in the US and generally means being deported) - our food production systems depend on these workers and those companies and this government do not want to be honest about that - notice that the employer is rarely if ever punished for knowingly hiring undocumented workers (like the US president for example) - by focusing on illegality it obscures the humanity of the person and paints the situation with a broad-brush that then allows US racists to extend this to anyone who is not white (we hear many stories from people of color of being told to 'go home' even though they were born here) so maybe this clarifies a little while immigration may not be the best case for talking about 'politically-correct speech'? i highly recommend Ai Wei Wei's documentary on refugees and migration, Human Flow

xook 6y ago

> but I ask myself what's wrong with calling a criminal a criminal? Certain leftists–typically the loud ones–throw away the notion of international borders and private land ownership. With this in mind, the idea to them that any one person is anywhere illegally is offensive.

locopati 6y ago

i can't speak for the situation in Slovenia - speaking from an US standpoint - 'illegal immigrant' puts the focus on the immigrant who is generally escaping one crappy situation for a better opportunity and generally doing the shit-work nobody else wants to do - the person is not illegal, they are undocumented (which is a misdemeanor offense in the US and generally means being deported) - our food production systems depend on these workers and those companies and this government do not want to be honest about that - notice that the employer is rarely if ever punished for knowingly hiring undocumented workers (like the US president for example) - by focusing on illegality it obscures the humanity of the person and paints the situation with a broad-brush that then allows US racists to extend this to anyone who is not white (we hear many stories from people of color of being told to 'go home' even though they were born here) so maybe this clarifies a little while immigration may not be the best case for talking about 'politically-correct speech'? i highly recommend Ai Wei Wei's documentary on refugees and migration, Human Flow