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I remember during Beijing Olympics, there were these "protest zones" that were created which theoretically should have allowed dissent in these areas. A pass ba

I remember during Beijing Olympics, there were these "protest zones" that were created which theoretically should have allowed dissent in these areas. A pass based system was introduced to get access to these places. I remember people who applied for passes getting rounded up by the police. https://www.hrw.org/news/2008/08/13/china-police-detain-would-be-olympic-protesters https://www.hrw.org/news/2008/08/13/china-police-detain-woul...

onetimemanytime 6y ago
Hitler also sent word that he supports restoration of the monarchy...only to kill those that agreed with that
- noman-land 6y ago
  Would love to read more about this if you have any sources.
  - aww_dang 6y ago
    Here's an interesting site if you have an interest in monarchism. http://madmonarchist.blogspot.com/2011/11/enemy-of-monarchy-adolf-hitler.html http://madmonarchist.blogspot.com/2011/11/enemy-of-monarchy-...
  - onetimemanytime 6y ago
    my comment was based on a movie https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Exception https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Exception based on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Kaiser%27s_Last_Kiss https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Kaiser%27s_Last_Kiss Of course any monarchy would've recognized the Nazis so maybe the monarchs would have been as figureheads only. Reading more, looks like the book might not be 100% accurate. For example, Himmler did not meet the exiled last Kaiser but Goring did.
lifeformed 6y ago
In 1956, the CPC "encouraged citizens to express openly their opinions of the communist regime" and then "after this brief period of liberalization, ... those who were critical of the regime and its ideology ... were rounded up in waves by the hundred of thousands, publicly criticized, and condemned to prison camps for re-education through labor, or even execution." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundred_Flowers_Campaign https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundred_Flowers_Campaign
- tedhuang 6y ago
  another man's word: Law & Order
  - Proven 6y ago
    Nonsense. It can't be lawful to initiate violence or excessively respond to violence initiated by others. Not many people rush to immigrate to Russia, China, North Korea and few other nice places. Take a hint.
  - TheSpiceIsLife 6y ago
    The guy has the launch codes and is a derelict amphetamine addict. I know, because I have been one myself on and off for 20 years. I know what I'm seeing.
- indigo945 6y ago
  In popular Western tellings of this piece of history, it's usually portrayed as a comic book evil conspiracy by the Chinese government. In actuality, it probably reflects an internal power struggle within the party at the time, where some politicians (among them Mao Zedong) were interested in a process of democratization, whereas others feared for their positions. The fact that a lot of the criticism that was made by the citizens was considerably more fundamental than even Mao had expected eventually eroded Mao's position to the point where he was forced to back down. This obviously doesn't change the fact that the CPC at the time, like the CPC of today, is a dictatorial organization that should never be supported. But the quotes in your post very much play into the "evil conspiracy" angle, and I think it's important to tell history in a way that reflects the actual power dynamics instead of cloak-and-dagger tales.

onetimemanytime 6y ago

Hitler also sent word that he supports restoration of the monarchy...only to kill those that agreed with that

noman-land 6y ago
Would love to read more about this if you have any sources.
- aww_dang 6y ago
  Here's an interesting site if you have an interest in monarchism. http://madmonarchist.blogspot.com/2011/11/enemy-of-monarchy-adolf-hitler.html http://madmonarchist.blogspot.com/2011/11/enemy-of-monarchy-...
- onetimemanytime 6y ago
  my comment was based on a movie https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Exception https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Exception based on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Kaiser%27s_Last_Kiss https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Kaiser%27s_Last_Kiss Of course any monarchy would've recognized the Nazis so maybe the monarchs would have been as figureheads only. Reading more, looks like the book might not be 100% accurate. For example, Himmler did not meet the exiled last Kaiser but Goring did.

lifeformed 6y ago

In 1956, the CPC "encouraged citizens to express openly their opinions of the communist regime" and then "after this brief period of liberalization, ... those who were critical of the regime and its ideology ... were rounded up in waves by the hundred of thousands, publicly criticized, and condemned to prison camps for re-education through labor, or even execution." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundred_Flowers_Campaign https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundred_Flowers_Campaign

tedhuang 6y ago
another man's word: Law & Order
- Proven 6y ago
  Nonsense. It can't be lawful to initiate violence or excessively respond to violence initiated by others. Not many people rush to immigrate to Russia, China, North Korea and few other nice places. Take a hint.
- TheSpiceIsLife 6y ago
  The guy has the launch codes and is a derelict amphetamine addict. I know, because I have been one myself on and off for 20 years. I know what I'm seeing.
indigo945 6y ago
In popular Western tellings of this piece of history, it's usually portrayed as a comic book evil conspiracy by the Chinese government. In actuality, it probably reflects an internal power struggle within the party at the time, where some politicians (among them Mao Zedong) were interested in a process of democratization, whereas others feared for their positions. The fact that a lot of the criticism that was made by the citizens was considerably more fundamental than even Mao had expected eventually eroded Mao's position to the point where he was forced to back down. This obviously doesn't change the fact that the CPC at the time, like the CPC of today, is a dictatorial organization that should never be supported. But the quotes in your post very much play into the "evil conspiracy" angle, and I think it's important to tell history in a way that reflects the actual power dynamics instead of cloak-and-dagger tales.