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Problem is the fragile political situation in North Africa and the reluctance of the European militaries to ensure stability with force.

baybal2 6y ago
Have you been watching French moves in Africa as of late?
- samvher 6y ago
  Would you mind elaborating on what you’re referring to? I’m quite curious.
  - pjc50 6y ago
    Beau Geste? Battle of Algiers? No I've no idea either.
  - lhpz 6y ago
    In 2013, the President of Mali asked France for help in stopping an attack on the capital Bamako by Islamic groups from the North of the country, whose goal was to establish a second Islamic state in the Sahel region, modeled after the Islamic State of Iraq which was developing at that same time. Four fighter jets were sent from France to stop the attackers as they were driving down south in pickups and were just a few hours away from taking the capital Bamako. 7 years later, the French forces are still on the ground, trying to help in stabilizing not only Mali, but also the whole Sahel region. With little stabilization success so far, but a second Islamic state in this area was avoided thanks to this intervention. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Barkhane https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Barkhane
markdown 6y ago
> the reluctance of the European militaries to ensure stability with force. You say that like it's a bad thing.
- shard972 6y ago
  Well it seems to preventing the the project from being completed?
- waheoo 6y ago
  Because it is a bad thing for the project. You're reading into this too much.
  - pjc50 6y ago
    Re-occupying North Africa for its natural resources also guarantees the doom of the project in short order, as well as a huge cost of money, lives, CO2, and everything else. "Ensuring stability with force" does not work. Stability can only be ensured with prosperity.
    - GlennS 6y ago
      This seems incorrect, and maybe wishful thinking?. There have been many brutal societies (and colonies, empires and so on) that lasted for centuries. Certainly a lot of military "interventions" in the past couple of decades have been pretty disastrous though. I propose a "you break it you buy it" model. Until such time as Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya have peace and good governance, no more military adventures to spread liberal democracy.
    - waheoo 6y ago
      Ensuring stability with force certainly works at the small scale the project needs. Nobody is talking about re-occupying North Africa. Again, you're reading too much into this. Maybe go back to Portland with that rhetoric?
      - monadic2 6y ago
        Got any sources? You sound like you're poorly educated on the topic.
- pizza234 6y ago
devdas 6y ago
Helping kill Gaddafi does nothing to help the situation.
monadic2 6y ago
From my perspective European militaries are the cause of regional instability, not a solution.

baybal2 6y ago

Have you been watching French moves in Africa as of late?

samvher 6y ago
Would you mind elaborating on what you’re referring to? I’m quite curious.
- pjc50 6y ago
  Beau Geste? Battle of Algiers? No I've no idea either.
- lhpz 6y ago
  In 2013, the President of Mali asked France for help in stopping an attack on the capital Bamako by Islamic groups from the North of the country, whose goal was to establish a second Islamic state in the Sahel region, modeled after the Islamic State of Iraq which was developing at that same time. Four fighter jets were sent from France to stop the attackers as they were driving down south in pickups and were just a few hours away from taking the capital Bamako. 7 years later, the French forces are still on the ground, trying to help in stabilizing not only Mali, but also the whole Sahel region. With little stabilization success so far, but a second Islamic state in this area was avoided thanks to this intervention. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Barkhane https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Barkhane

markdown 6y ago

> the reluctance of the European militaries to ensure stability with force. You say that like it's a bad thing.

shard972 6y ago
Well it seems to preventing the the project from being completed?
waheoo 6y ago
Because it is a bad thing for the project. You're reading into this too much.
- pjc50 6y ago
  Re-occupying North Africa for its natural resources also guarantees the doom of the project in short order, as well as a huge cost of money, lives, CO2, and everything else. "Ensuring stability with force" does not work. Stability can only be ensured with prosperity.
  - GlennS 6y ago
    This seems incorrect, and maybe wishful thinking?. There have been many brutal societies (and colonies, empires and so on) that lasted for centuries. Certainly a lot of military "interventions" in the past couple of decades have been pretty disastrous though. I propose a "you break it you buy it" model. Until such time as Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya have peace and good governance, no more military adventures to spread liberal democracy.
  - waheoo 6y ago
    Ensuring stability with force certainly works at the small scale the project needs. Nobody is talking about re-occupying North Africa. Again, you're reading too much into this. Maybe go back to Portland with that rhetoric?
    - monadic2 6y ago
      Got any sources? You sound like you're poorly educated on the topic.
pizza234 6y ago

devdas 6y ago

Helping kill Gaddafi does nothing to help the situation.

monadic2 6y ago

From my perspective European militaries are the cause of regional instability, not a solution.