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Don’t forget you’re still a second-class citizen as a foreigner: https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/05/19/national/social-issues/japan-foreign-residents-str

Don’t forget you’re still a second-class citizen as a foreigner: https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/05/19/national/social-issues/japan-foreign-residents-stranded-abroad-coronavirus/ https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/05/19/national/social...

tehnub 6y ago
They have begun to allow them to return: >Aware of foreign residents’ concerns, Prime Minister Shinzo Abe said last month that Japan would loosen some of the rules. On Wednesday, immigration officials said at a news conference that they had begun readmitting those who left before the start of the restrictions in April. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/05/business/japan-entry-ban-coronavirus.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/05/business/japan-entry-ban-...
bjo590 6y ago
> Don’t forget you’re still a second-class citizen as a foreigner: 1. The people that choose to live in Japan are well aware of this fact and consider it to still be a good place to live. Japan is a very unique place. 2. There is a difference between Permanent Residency and Citizenship.
627467 6y ago
Isn't it normal for non-citizen a to be second (or even third) class to citizens, in most countries? The post is about acquiring residency, not citizenship.
makx 6y ago
I can understand that people are personally upset when they are affected by travel restrictions, but this whole outrage about "foreigners are second class citizens" (often even: "this shows Japans racism") is just just silly. 1- The restrictions are not about race, but about which countries have mismanaged the pandemic. People from Taiwan and some other south east asian countries are allowed to enter. (Ironically, exactly those people are / have been much more commonly the target of Japanese racism). 2- They most likely would prefer to also ban Japanese citizens (whatever race) from returning from hot-spots like Florida or Brazil. They just can't because of legal reasons. Citizenship gives you certain rights. 3- You can call PR and other visas "second class citizenship" if you want, but the fact is: you're just not a citizen. You also can't vote. You also can't become prime minister. You're not a citizen and don't have the rights of a citizen. That's the same in every country, including yours. Why didn't people with PR complain about being "second class citizens" for years about those other rights?
- wonderlg 6y ago
  I think that many of those with PR would rather be (first-class) citizens; it’s not always just a personal choice to not be one. I think it’s pretty clear that if you plan your life in a secondary country, and they allow you to via permanent residency, you would not want them to lock you out at a whim.

tehnub 6y ago

They have begun to allow them to return: >Aware of foreign residents’ concerns, Prime Minister Shinzo Abe said last month that Japan would loosen some of the rules. On Wednesday, immigration officials said at a news conference that they had begun readmitting those who left before the start of the restrictions in April. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/05/business/japan-entry-ban-coronavirus.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/05/business/japan-entry-ban-...

bjo590 6y ago

> Don’t forget you’re still a second-class citizen as a foreigner: 1. The people that choose to live in Japan are well aware of this fact and consider it to still be a good place to live. Japan is a very unique place. 2. There is a difference between Permanent Residency and Citizenship.

627467 6y ago

Isn't it normal for non-citizen a to be second (or even third) class to citizens, in most countries? The post is about acquiring residency, not citizenship.

makx 6y ago

I can understand that people are personally upset when they are affected by travel restrictions, but this whole outrage about "foreigners are second class citizens" (often even: "this shows Japans racism") is just just silly. 1- The restrictions are not about race, but about which countries have mismanaged the pandemic. People from Taiwan and some other south east asian countries are allowed to enter. (Ironically, exactly those people are / have been much more commonly the target of Japanese racism). 2- They most likely would prefer to also ban Japanese citizens (whatever race) from returning from hot-spots like Florida or Brazil. They just can't because of legal reasons. Citizenship gives you certain rights. 3- You can call PR and other visas "second class citizenship" if you want, but the fact is: you're just not a citizen. You also can't vote. You also can't become prime minister. You're not a citizen and don't have the rights of a citizen. That's the same in every country, including yours. Why didn't people with PR complain about being "second class citizens" for years about those other rights?

wonderlg 6y ago
I think that many of those with PR would rather be (first-class) citizens; it’s not always just a personal choice to not be one. I think it’s pretty clear that if you plan your life in a secondary country, and they allow you to via permanent residency, you would not want them to lock you out at a whim.