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A quote in the article, from the Wall Street Journal: "A: Emergency physicians say the first step is to verify that the person really is unconscious. Shout, sha

A quote in the article, from the Wall Street Journal: "A: Emergency physicians say the first step is to verify that the person really is unconscious. Shout, shake her, or dig your knuckles into her collarbone. That may revive her." Lol. Who said it was a 'her'? That jumped out at me. Just checking at the original article though: https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB120277331164160573 https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB120277331164160573 .. and you can see that in the WSJ, it was 'him'! So this bookofjoe character, says they are quoting the WSJ but actually changes the quote, making a low level politically correct adjustment. And I'm the chap (or idiot) who spends my time checking sources, and uncovering this scandal! Lol.

sawaruna 6y ago
If it said ‘he’ would you have gone to check for verification of this? The quote altering is odd but this ‘jumping out at you’ is also a bit weird.
- luckylion 6y ago
  > If it said ‘he’ would you have gone to check for verification of this? Given that they mentioned a male person being found just before, I got confused as well. "Heath Ledger" => "him" does not sound confusing, ergo no need to check. "If you find an unconscious person, like actress Natalie Portman... shake him, shout at him" would also be weird and suggest checking.
  - sawaruna 6y ago
    Oh, explains it. Though they simply said the 'her' jumped out at them, not because they felt it was in error with the question, but maybe that was it. My mistake.
bookofjoe 6y ago
I confess: I am "this bookofjoe character" and I altered the quote from "him" to "her" NOT to be low level politically correct but rather because it's ALWAYS him and NEVER her — yet 50% of the time (I have no reference for this statistic but I'm gonna be bold and use it anyway) it is a her. If someone doesn't start evening things out, we'll never get there. So flay me if you like, I deserve it, but I also think I did the right thing. Though I could have added misquotation insult to injury by changing the Q. part to "What should you do if you come across an unconscious person" and omitting "as in the case of actor Heath Ledger?" That might have averted your gimlet eye since "her" would have no male antecedent. I LOVE that you checked this: I probably would have done exactly the same thing. It's impossible, IMHO, to be too meticulous about accuracy. Plus, it's fun when you expose someone like this bookofjoe character for what he (note use of pronoun: I could have instead employed "they") is.
- feralimal 6y ago
  I'm very glad you took this in the way I intended it! And that you took the time to respond :) I agree - when I read the original source, you do easily read 'him'; it doesn't jar. But, like you, I always wonder why they do that. I wouldn't. You can easily use 'they', or say something like, presuming this is a man/woman you would check him/her... etc. But thanks for replying and taking the critique on the chin!
  - bookofjoe 6y ago
    "... say something like, presuming this is a man/woman you would check him/her...": whenever I come across those slashbound pairings I wince, they're just so awkward and mess up my reading flow. You just made my day — thanks! P.S. I must have a very low bar, now that I think about it...
    - feralimal 6y ago
      You and me, both :) All the best.
- luckylion 6y ago
  > yet 50% of the time (I have no reference for this statistic but I'm gonna be bold and use it anyway) it is a her. It's not btw. Cardiac arrest is not 50/50, it's more like 70/30. You're much more likely to have to perform CPR on a man (unless you're primarily surrounded by very old people, I suppose). Women are more likely to not receive proper CPR though, likely because bystanders are afraid to be accused of improper conduct and/or afraid to hurt them (as women are generally significantly older then men when they get their first cardiac arrest). Also, in general: before you start CPR, remove their cloths from the upper body. There a chance they may suffer from ventricular fibrillation which can be solved with an AED. If you start CPR without having removed their (upper body) cloths, you can't use the AED without a long pause - at which point you've lost a lot of time.
  - bookofjoe 6y ago

sawaruna 6y ago

If it said ‘he’ would you have gone to check for verification of this? The quote altering is odd but this ‘jumping out at you’ is also a bit weird.

luckylion 6y ago
> If it said ‘he’ would you have gone to check for verification of this? Given that they mentioned a male person being found just before, I got confused as well. "Heath Ledger" => "him" does not sound confusing, ergo no need to check. "If you find an unconscious person, like actress Natalie Portman... shake him, shout at him" would also be weird and suggest checking.
- sawaruna 6y ago
  Oh, explains it. Though they simply said the 'her' jumped out at them, not because they felt it was in error with the question, but maybe that was it. My mistake.

bookofjoe 6y ago

I confess: I am "this bookofjoe character" and I altered the quote from "him" to "her" NOT to be low level politically correct but rather because it's ALWAYS him and NEVER her — yet 50% of the time (I have no reference for this statistic but I'm gonna be bold and use it anyway) it is a her. If someone doesn't start evening things out, we'll never get there. So flay me if you like, I deserve it, but I also think I did the right thing. Though I could have added misquotation insult to injury by changing the Q. part to "What should you do if you come across an unconscious person" and omitting "as in the case of actor Heath Ledger?" That might have averted your gimlet eye since "her" would have no male antecedent. I LOVE that you checked this: I probably would have done exactly the same thing. It's impossible, IMHO, to be too meticulous about accuracy. Plus, it's fun when you expose someone like this bookofjoe character for what he (note use of pronoun: I could have instead employed "they") is.

feralimal 6y ago
I'm very glad you took this in the way I intended it! And that you took the time to respond :) I agree - when I read the original source, you do easily read 'him'; it doesn't jar. But, like you, I always wonder why they do that. I wouldn't. You can easily use 'they', or say something like, presuming this is a man/woman you would check him/her... etc. But thanks for replying and taking the critique on the chin!
- bookofjoe 6y ago
  "... say something like, presuming this is a man/woman you would check him/her...": whenever I come across those slashbound pairings I wince, they're just so awkward and mess up my reading flow. You just made my day — thanks! P.S. I must have a very low bar, now that I think about it...
  - feralimal 6y ago
    You and me, both :) All the best.
luckylion 6y ago
> yet 50% of the time (I have no reference for this statistic but I'm gonna be bold and use it anyway) it is a her. It's not btw. Cardiac arrest is not 50/50, it's more like 70/30. You're much more likely to have to perform CPR on a man (unless you're primarily surrounded by very old people, I suppose). Women are more likely to not receive proper CPR though, likely because bystanders are afraid to be accused of improper conduct and/or afraid to hurt them (as women are generally significantly older then men when they get their first cardiac arrest). Also, in general: before you start CPR, remove their cloths from the upper body. There a chance they may suffer from ventricular fibrillation which can be solved with an AED. If you start CPR without having removed their (upper body) cloths, you can't use the AED without a long pause - at which point you've lost a lot of time.
- bookofjoe 6y ago