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I will never stop being amused by the original post about Dropbox here on HN, where a large contingent of the audience was so critical of it, it was destined to

by mdoms 6y ago

I will never stop being amused by the original post about Dropbox here on HN, where a large contingent of the audience was so critical of it, it was destined to fail. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8863 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8863

sien 6y ago
No wireless. Less space than a Nomad. Lame. https://slashdot.org/story/01/10/23/1816257/Apple-releases-iPod https://slashdot.org/story/01/10/23/1816257/Apple-releases-i...
- icebraining 6y ago
  cmdrtaco was giving his personal opinion on the device, not predicting its commercial success or lack thereof. Slashdot wasn't focused on "the market" nearly as much as HN is.
- starky 6y ago
  And for many years after the release of the iPod it was "lame" compared to other products on the market. It was really the introduction of the iPod Nano that was the first product that improved on the competition. But Apple markets well and was able to get the market share (and really it was only the click wheel ones that were really popular).
tluyben2 6y ago
While funny, that is a little while ago. What is depressing now is that it became worse but people are not that vocal in public anymore. Many people I encounter say they can do things in days but when hired they really can't (not even close) (and these are seniors with proven experience doing things but just not very fast at all; I cannot figure if it's the frameworks as I know I could do it in days with jquery/lamp + normal hosting which is what I was asking for). Sometimes (well, generally actually always) I need something fast, not robust, maintainable and definitely not with docker/k8s/microservices etc etc. I have not found many people who can just practically do things they say they can; then in 2007 with the dropbox thing or now on freelancer sites or forums; when you hire people, even (because I understand you want more hours / security / whatever) when I can promise you that IF you can, I have work for you basically forever (considering I have a 20 year trackrecord of doing these kind of applications and i'm not stopping any time soon). I even don't care about the tech; if you want to use the latest/greatest/cv-driven crap for it; be my guest, as long as it works and delivery is fast. Seems perfect for people; I cannot find any that go beyond big talk on sites like HN.
- juped 6y ago
  It's only possible to get hired by anyone (including, probably, by you - how do you select candidates, exactly?) by resume-padding with trendy largely-useless items like kubernetes microservices etc. Be the change you want to see in the market.
  - tluyben2 6y ago
    I have a feeling that many people I interview/test actually see this as an opportunity to learn these technologies, while normally it's definitely not, so I don't select based on that; quite the opposite. They won't have this on their resume often, but want to 'learn on the job'. And yes, what you say happens also; for a recent project where we did need all this tech, sometimes I'm sitting with people with 'years of experience' in containerisation etc and during the interview it turns out they have no clue besides the absolute bare basics. And ofcourse, this causes now that CTO's/CIO's not only see these terms in magazines online, but also see it on all their resumes so they start demanding the use in projects while there is no reason to do so.
  - eropple 6y ago
    I assure you that k8s etc. have not been requirements in any job that I have interviewed for or hired for. Including ones where k8s is in use. Principles still matter more unless you are in an exclusively bolt-turning role.
sien 6y ago
To be fair, with most start ups if you say 'this will fail' you're probably right, what, about 4/5 times at least. But you'll never invest in Google, Dropbox, AirBnB or whatever. Even the smartest VC's hit rates wouldn't be that great (i.e. say 3/4 of their investments make it) even though they make overall by picking the occasional drop box.
in3d 6y ago
Most of the comments in that thread were quite positive. This certainly doesn’t support your point.
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by mdoms 6y ago

sien 6y ago

No wireless. Less space than a Nomad. Lame. https://slashdot.org/story/01/10/23/1816257/Apple-releases-iPod https://slashdot.org/story/01/10/23/1816257/Apple-releases-i...

icebraining 6y ago
cmdrtaco was giving his personal opinion on the device, not predicting its commercial success or lack thereof. Slashdot wasn't focused on "the market" nearly as much as HN is.
starky 6y ago
And for many years after the release of the iPod it was "lame" compared to other products on the market. It was really the introduction of the iPod Nano that was the first product that improved on the competition. But Apple markets well and was able to get the market share (and really it was only the click wheel ones that were really popular).

tluyben2 6y ago

While funny, that is a little while ago. What is depressing now is that it became worse but people are not that vocal in public anymore. Many people I encounter say they can do things in days but when hired they really can't (not even close) (and these are seniors with proven experience doing things but just not very fast at all; I cannot figure if it's the frameworks as I know I could do it in days with jquery/lamp + normal hosting which is what I was asking for). Sometimes (well, generally actually always) I need something fast, not robust, maintainable and definitely not with docker/k8s/microservices etc etc. I have not found many people who can just practically do things they say they can; then in 2007 with the dropbox thing or now on freelancer sites or forums; when you hire people, even (because I understand you want more hours / security / whatever) when I can promise you that IF you can, I have work for you basically forever (considering I have a 20 year trackrecord of doing these kind of applications and i'm not stopping any time soon). I even don't care about the tech; if you want to use the latest/greatest/cv-driven crap for it; be my guest, as long as it works and delivery is fast. Seems perfect for people; I cannot find any that go beyond big talk on sites like HN.

juped 6y ago
It's only possible to get hired by anyone (including, probably, by you - how do you select candidates, exactly?) by resume-padding with trendy largely-useless items like kubernetes microservices etc. Be the change you want to see in the market.
- tluyben2 6y ago
  I have a feeling that many people I interview/test actually see this as an opportunity to learn these technologies, while normally it's definitely not, so I don't select based on that; quite the opposite. They won't have this on their resume often, but want to 'learn on the job'. And yes, what you say happens also; for a recent project where we did need all this tech, sometimes I'm sitting with people with 'years of experience' in containerisation etc and during the interview it turns out they have no clue besides the absolute bare basics. And ofcourse, this causes now that CTO's/CIO's not only see these terms in magazines online, but also see it on all their resumes so they start demanding the use in projects while there is no reason to do so.
- eropple 6y ago
  I assure you that k8s etc. have not been requirements in any job that I have interviewed for or hired for. Including ones where k8s is in use. Principles still matter more unless you are in an exclusively bolt-turning role.

sien 6y ago

To be fair, with most start ups if you say 'this will fail' you're probably right, what, about 4/5 times at least. But you'll never invest in Google, Dropbox, AirBnB or whatever. Even the smartest VC's hit rates wouldn't be that great (i.e. say 3/4 of their investments make it) even though they make overall by picking the occasional drop box.

in3d 6y ago

Most of the comments in that thread were quite positive. This certainly doesn’t support your point.

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