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You sure about the causation there? It could very well be that iPhone market power propelled those products and the products without the brand behind it would n

by Magodo 6y ago

You sure about the causation there? It could very well be that iPhone market power propelled those products and the products without the brand behind it would not stand on their own

scarface74 6y ago
Google also has a popular brand - what successful product has Google created outside of advertising? It’s about execution. Apple has been around for 40+ years. You could say that every success came from the Apple //.
- tinus_hn 6y ago
  A revolutionary search engine? I don’t know if you were around before Google started but on the other search engines that were available you could search all you want and all you would find was spam and unrelated crap.
  - locopati 6y ago
    spam and unrelated crap sounds a lot like Google search these days
  - scarface74 6y ago
    Uhh, yeah my first “internet application” was a chatbot that integrated with a Gopher server. My first time learning about optimizing a program was trying to store as much data in the 1st page of memory because reading and writing from it took one less clock cycle on a 65C02 in assembly. But what has Google done since then? 90% of their profit it still ad based. I used Google for the first time in years on mobile without an ad blocker and it was about as bad as goto.com back in the day.
    - tinus_hn 6y ago
      Your question is: > what successful product has Google created outside of advertising? The answer is a revolutionary search engine, aside of course from their ground breaking email product, their mobile platform that is one of the only two viable ones, the top video platform and so on. These are all very successful products. Regarding the question if these are successful does it matter their financing model is mostly based on ads? Do you think Facebook is an unsuccessful company?
      - scarface74 6y ago
        A product is something that makes money. The search engine only makes money because of advertising. Google has spent literally billions of dollars trying to diversify and has little to show for it. Yes it matters that a company isn’t diversified. Look at Apple, when phone revenue was stagnant last quarter, they still saw one of their best quarters ever because of Macs and iPads. Over the last few years, growth has come from “wearables” and services. I wonder what would happen to advertising in the unlikely case that there was a worldwide pandemic and companies cut advertising? Google was the only big tech company to see revenue decline last quarter. During the time period that Google has existed, Apple has gone from making all of its money on Macs to... 1 Becoming the leading music retailer and music player for awhile. 2. Pivoted to become the most profitable phone maker. 3. Added tablets. 4. Cook admitted that the Watch business alone is larger in revenue than the iPod was at peak. 5. Many analyst belief that its headphone business alone is just as large as its watch business. 6. All of this and even its tiniest two segments - Mac and iPad are large enough to have a revenue that puts it in the f100. On another note, how many unsuccessful chat apps has Google had? Facebook is just a social media company at its core. But, it use to be a platform for games where a lot of its revenue came from before mobile. Facebook has four different platforms that are all successful - Facebook, Instagram, WhatsApp, and Messenger. How many failed acquisitions has Google had in social - OrKut, Blogger (languishes in obscurity but could have easily been a large platform). Google+?
        tinus_hn 6y ago
        How is Facebook making any money apart from ads? Especially on a service like WhatsApp.
        scarface74 6y ago
        True. But why is Google the only Big tech company that saw revenue declines? How has FB major acquisitions fared compared to Google’s? Youtube is popularly believed to be break even at best and it came out in the Oracle trial during discovery that Android had only made Google $23 billion in profit from 2010-2015. At the same time Google is giving Apple billions (reportedly up to $8-$12 billion now) to be the default search engine on iOS.
mercer 6y ago
Maybe. I use an Android phone and still prefer my Airpods over everything else I've tried. I really don't think it's just branding that made them the hit that they are. Apple Watch has just not been useful enough for my lifestyle, but everything I hear and read about them, compared to the competition, gives me a similar 'vibe' to the AirPods: even if feature-by-feature there might be better products, they do a good job making their core usage smooth in a way that other products don't. I don't know if that's true, but for me it definitely was for the iPhone, AirPods, and even MacBooks despite their recent slump. It bothers me that people are assuming that I make my choices just because of branding.

by Magodo 6y ago

You sure about the causation there? It could very well be that iPhone market power propelled those products and the products without the brand behind it would not stand on their own

scarface74 6y ago

Google also has a popular brand - what successful product has Google created outside of advertising? It’s about execution. Apple has been around for 40+ years. You could say that every success came from the Apple //.

tinus_hn 6y ago
A revolutionary search engine? I don’t know if you were around before Google started but on the other search engines that were available you could search all you want and all you would find was spam and unrelated crap.
- locopati 6y ago
  spam and unrelated crap sounds a lot like Google search these days
- scarface74 6y ago
  Uhh, yeah my first “internet application” was a chatbot that integrated with a Gopher server. My first time learning about optimizing a program was trying to store as much data in the 1st page of memory because reading and writing from it took one less clock cycle on a 65C02 in assembly. But what has Google done since then? 90% of their profit it still ad based. I used Google for the first time in years on mobile without an ad blocker and it was about as bad as goto.com back in the day.
  - tinus_hn 6y ago
    Your question is: > what successful product has Google created outside of advertising? The answer is a revolutionary search engine, aside of course from their ground breaking email product, their mobile platform that is one of the only two viable ones, the top video platform and so on. These are all very successful products. Regarding the question if these are successful does it matter their financing model is mostly based on ads? Do you think Facebook is an unsuccessful company?
    - scarface74 6y ago
      A product is something that makes money. The search engine only makes money because of advertising. Google has spent literally billions of dollars trying to diversify and has little to show for it. Yes it matters that a company isn’t diversified. Look at Apple, when phone revenue was stagnant last quarter, they still saw one of their best quarters ever because of Macs and iPads. Over the last few years, growth has come from “wearables” and services. I wonder what would happen to advertising in the unlikely case that there was a worldwide pandemic and companies cut advertising? Google was the only big tech company to see revenue decline last quarter. During the time period that Google has existed, Apple has gone from making all of its money on Macs to... 1 Becoming the leading music retailer and music player for awhile. 2. Pivoted to become the most profitable phone maker. 3. Added tablets. 4. Cook admitted that the Watch business alone is larger in revenue than the iPod was at peak. 5. Many analyst belief that its headphone business alone is just as large as its watch business. 6. All of this and even its tiniest two segments - Mac and iPad are large enough to have a revenue that puts it in the f100. On another note, how many unsuccessful chat apps has Google had? Facebook is just a social media company at its core. But, it use to be a platform for games where a lot of its revenue came from before mobile. Facebook has four different platforms that are all successful - Facebook, Instagram, WhatsApp, and Messenger. How many failed acquisitions has Google had in social - OrKut, Blogger (languishes in obscurity but could have easily been a large platform). Google+?
      - tinus_hn 6y ago
        How is Facebook making any money apart from ads? Especially on a service like WhatsApp.
        scarface74 6y ago
        True. But why is Google the only Big tech company that saw revenue declines? How has FB major acquisitions fared compared to Google’s? Youtube is popularly believed to be break even at best and it came out in the Oracle trial during discovery that Android had only made Google $23 billion in profit from 2010-2015. At the same time Google is giving Apple billions (reportedly up to $8-$12 billion now) to be the default search engine on iOS.

mercer 6y ago

Maybe. I use an Android phone and still prefer my Airpods over everything else I've tried. I really don't think it's just branding that made them the hit that they are. Apple Watch has just not been useful enough for my lifestyle, but everything I hear and read about them, compared to the competition, gives me a similar 'vibe' to the AirPods: even if feature-by-feature there might be better products, they do a good job making their core usage smooth in a way that other products don't. I don't know if that's true, but for me it definitely was for the iPhone, AirPods, and even MacBooks despite their recent slump. It bothers me that people are assuming that I make my choices just because of branding.