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That’s impossible for most people. Imagine following through with that in daily life, or even for your business. How many contracts have we all been forced to a

That’s impossible for most people. Imagine following through with that in daily life, or even for your business. How many contracts have we all been forced to agree to that say “we can amend these terms with no notice and it’s binding”?

walterbell 6y ago
Any examples of such contracts?
- gentleman11 6y ago
  The easiest to find is here: https://www.ycombinator.com/legal/#tou https://www.ycombinator.com/legal/#tou > We reserve the right, at our sole discretion, to change or modify portions of these Terms of Use at any time. If we do this, we will post the changes on this page and will indicate at the top of this page the date these terms were last revised. We will also notify you, either through the Site user interface, in an email notification or through other reasonable means. Any such changes will become effective no earlier than fourteen (14) days after they are posted, except that changes addressing new functions of the Site or changes made for legal reasons will be effective immediately. Your continued use of the Site after the date any such changes become effective constitutes your acceptance of the new Terms of Use. This is one of the better versions of it since it claims it will notify you and that there is a 14 day window. Most do not include this clause, including for a lot of the software I work with professionally
noodlesUK 6y ago
It’s a little different between that liability waiver you might sign when you sign up for your gym, and some significant ongoing business venture you’re entering into with another party. I do consultancy work from time to time, and contract negotiations are actual negotiations. If I had a client with objectionable terms in their contract, and their response was “this is standard and you need to sign this, no ifs, ands, or buts” I’d take that as a major red flag, and if they were seriously objectionable (like the above), I’d tell them to pound sand.
- gentleman11 6y ago
  Those are negotiations between semi-equals still. If you had to join Nvidia's developer program, or use a commercial game engine, or take part in some other lopsided professional partnership, your negotiotaion potential is basically limited to complaining to their support in an email.

walterbell 6y ago

Any examples of such contracts?

gentleman11 6y ago
The easiest to find is here: https://www.ycombinator.com/legal/#tou https://www.ycombinator.com/legal/#tou > We reserve the right, at our sole discretion, to change or modify portions of these Terms of Use at any time. If we do this, we will post the changes on this page and will indicate at the top of this page the date these terms were last revised. We will also notify you, either through the Site user interface, in an email notification or through other reasonable means. Any such changes will become effective no earlier than fourteen (14) days after they are posted, except that changes addressing new functions of the Site or changes made for legal reasons will be effective immediately. Your continued use of the Site after the date any such changes become effective constitutes your acceptance of the new Terms of Use. This is one of the better versions of it since it claims it will notify you and that there is a 14 day window. Most do not include this clause, including for a lot of the software I work with professionally

noodlesUK 6y ago

It’s a little different between that liability waiver you might sign when you sign up for your gym, and some significant ongoing business venture you’re entering into with another party. I do consultancy work from time to time, and contract negotiations are actual negotiations. If I had a client with objectionable terms in their contract, and their response was “this is standard and you need to sign this, no ifs, ands, or buts” I’d take that as a major red flag, and if they were seriously objectionable (like the above), I’d tell them to pound sand.

gentleman11 6y ago
Those are negotiations between semi-equals still. If you had to join Nvidia's developer program, or use a commercial game engine, or take part in some other lopsided professional partnership, your negotiotaion potential is basically limited to complaining to their support in an email.