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Can you explain how piracy is stealing?

by iakov 6y ago

globalproctd 6y ago
Read all the other comments.
- iakov 6y ago
  Your definition of "theft" is a bit too broad, don't you think? Usually theft means that the original owner is deprived of goods - they can't use them, can't sell them, they simply don't the the original item. This is simply not the case for digital goods. HBO won't lose money when I download GOT, won't they?
  - globalproctd 6y ago
    Yes, they lose out on the revenue they SHOULD have received from your purchase. Pirates are really some of the dumbest people.
    - iakov 6y ago
      No, they should not. Haven't you seen the news? They've dropped support for my platform. Why should they receive money from me, for anything? Also - thanks for showing your true colors so early. At least I know that engaging with you is pointless.
      - globalproctd 6y ago
        lol, not sure why I'd want to engage with someone who thinks stealing is fine.
  - cortesoft 6y ago
    If it was totally legal to pirate all content, why would anyone pay for it? And if no one pays for content, why would HBO finance its creation? It is disingenuous to say piracy doesn’t cost anything to the content creators.
    - iakov 6y ago
      It is totally legal to pirate content where I live now, and where I've lived before. Still, I pay for video games on Steam or for Spotify. Hell I even buy music on Bandcamp. I do this because it's convenient and because I want to support creators. However, when a creator goes out of their way to alienate me as a customer - by either dropping support for my platform, or by region-blocking - I happily put on my pirate hat and get what I want for free. There is no other viable choice for me.
    - Andrew_nenakhov 6y ago
      Steam is successful not because piracy is illegal. It is successful because it made buying games more convenient than pirating it. It is far easier to click, pay, get content than torrenting stuff and finding correct cracks/keygens, etc. I have bought a great deal of games I played in 1990s (pirated, of course - there simply did not exist a way to buy games legally in Russia at that time), just because I liked them back then. Also, please stop calling copyright infringement 'piracy'. Piracy is a dangerous penal crime involving violence and an open theft of possessions. It has nothing to do with copying information.
Andrew_nenakhov 6y ago
Please, stop calling it 'piracy'. To quote rms: "When record companies make a fuss about the danger of "piracy", they're not talking about violent attacks on shipping. What they complain about is the sharing of copies of music, an activity in which millions of people participate in a spirit of cooperation. The term "piracy" is used by record companies to demonize sharing and cooperation by equating them to kidnaping, murder and theft." [1] [1]: https://stallman.org/articles/end-war-on-sharing.html https://stallman.org/articles/end-war-on-sharing.html
- yongjik 6y ago
  The irony is that free software requires copyright enforcement as precondition. I mean, if a company takes a GPL'ed code, modifies it, and sells it to another willing party without following GPL's terms, what does the original author materially lose?
  - Andrew_nenakhov 6y ago
    It is not the irony. The core idea of GPL is to fight proprietary software with its own weapon. Also, I think that you misunderstand the GPL terms. The aggrieved party in this hypothetical case is not the original author, it is the buyer of this modified software, whose rights to four essential freedoms [1] would be violated. These violations have a very real material cost. BTw, it is common for people to believe that GPL requires publishing source codes on the Internet. It is not so. The requirement is to provide the user of a program source codes, so he can exercise the guaranteed freedoms. You can do it in any suitable form, publishing code is just the most convenient way to do it, but not mandatory. [1]: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.en.html https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.en.html
    - yongjik 6y ago
      Hence the clarification "willing party". A company "pirates" a GPL'd code, creates its own derivative version, slaps a sticker saying "This is proprietary code, if you want to see the source then go buy from somewhere else." Someone is willing to buy the product, they are both happy. Just like two internet users sharing copyrighted files.

Can you explain how piracy is stealing?

by iakov 6y ago

Can you explain how piracy is stealing?

globalproctd 6y ago

Read all the other comments.

iakov 6y ago
Your definition of "theft" is a bit too broad, don't you think? Usually theft means that the original owner is deprived of goods - they can't use them, can't sell them, they simply don't the the original item. This is simply not the case for digital goods. HBO won't lose money when I download GOT, won't they?
- globalproctd 6y ago
  Yes, they lose out on the revenue they SHOULD have received from your purchase. Pirates are really some of the dumbest people.
  - iakov 6y ago
    No, they should not. Haven't you seen the news? They've dropped support for my platform. Why should they receive money from me, for anything? Also - thanks for showing your true colors so early. At least I know that engaging with you is pointless.
    - globalproctd 6y ago
      lol, not sure why I'd want to engage with someone who thinks stealing is fine.
- cortesoft 6y ago
  If it was totally legal to pirate all content, why would anyone pay for it? And if no one pays for content, why would HBO finance its creation? It is disingenuous to say piracy doesn’t cost anything to the content creators.
  - iakov 6y ago
    It is totally legal to pirate content where I live now, and where I've lived before. Still, I pay for video games on Steam or for Spotify. Hell I even buy music on Bandcamp. I do this because it's convenient and because I want to support creators. However, when a creator goes out of their way to alienate me as a customer - by either dropping support for my platform, or by region-blocking - I happily put on my pirate hat and get what I want for free. There is no other viable choice for me.
  - Andrew_nenakhov 6y ago
    Steam is successful not because piracy is illegal. It is successful because it made buying games more convenient than pirating it. It is far easier to click, pay, get content than torrenting stuff and finding correct cracks/keygens, etc. I have bought a great deal of games I played in 1990s (pirated, of course - there simply did not exist a way to buy games legally in Russia at that time), just because I liked them back then. Also, please stop calling copyright infringement 'piracy'. Piracy is a dangerous penal crime involving violence and an open theft of possessions. It has nothing to do with copying information.

Andrew_nenakhov 6y ago

Please, stop calling it 'piracy'. To quote rms: "When record companies make a fuss about the danger of "piracy", they're not talking about violent attacks on shipping. What they complain about is the sharing of copies of music, an activity in which millions of people participate in a spirit of cooperation. The term "piracy" is used by record companies to demonize sharing and cooperation by equating them to kidnaping, murder and theft." [1] [1]: https://stallman.org/articles/end-war-on-sharing.html https://stallman.org/articles/end-war-on-sharing.html

yongjik 6y ago
The irony is that free software requires copyright enforcement as precondition. I mean, if a company takes a GPL'ed code, modifies it, and sells it to another willing party without following GPL's terms, what does the original author materially lose?
- Andrew_nenakhov 6y ago
  It is not the irony. The core idea of GPL is to fight proprietary software with its own weapon. Also, I think that you misunderstand the GPL terms. The aggrieved party in this hypothetical case is not the original author, it is the buyer of this modified software, whose rights to four essential freedoms [1] would be violated. These violations have a very real material cost. BTw, it is common for people to believe that GPL requires publishing source codes on the Internet. It is not so. The requirement is to provide the user of a program source codes, so he can exercise the guaranteed freedoms. You can do it in any suitable form, publishing code is just the most convenient way to do it, but not mandatory. [1]: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.en.html https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.en.html
  - yongjik 6y ago
    Hence the clarification "willing party". A company "pirates" a GPL'd code, creates its own derivative version, slaps a sticker saying "This is proprietary code, if you want to see the source then go buy from somewhere else." Someone is willing to buy the product, they are both happy. Just like two internet users sharing copyrighted files.