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If they're not breaking the rules why report them?

by donatj 6y ago

ceejayoz 6y ago
COVID disinformation is against is against Facebook's terms. They just don't make it easy to report it. https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/08/05/trump-post-removed-facebook/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/08/05/trump-p... > Facebook spokesman Andy Stone said, “This video includes false claims that a group of people is immune from COVID-19 which is a violation of our policies around harmful COVID misinformation."
- StreamBright 6y ago
  Pushing against wearing a mask is not based on misinformation unless you qualify the CDC's stance on this misinformation. https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article "Although mechanistic studies support the potential effect of hand hygiene or face masks, evidence from 14 randomized controlled trials of these measures did not support a substantial effect on transmission of laboratory-confirmed influenza. We similarly found limited evidence on the effectiveness of improved hygiene and environmental cleaning. We identified several major knowledge gaps requiring further research, most fundamentally an improved characterization of the modes of person-to-person transmission."
  - ceejayoz 6y ago
    Our understanding of the effectiveness of masks has progressed substantially since May. That study is not the CDC's current stance (and a single study on their site isn't a stance), nor does it reflect more recent research. Here's July, for example: https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2020/p0714-americans-to-wear-masks.html https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2020/p0714-americans-to-w... > In an editorial published today in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA), CDC reviewed the latest science and affirms that cloth face coverings are a critical tool in the fight against COVID-19 that could reduce the spread of the disease, particularly when used universally within communities. There is increasing evidence that cloth face coverings help prevent people who have COVID-19 from spreading the virus to others. > This review included two case studies out today, one from JAMA, showing that adherence to universal masking policies reduced SARS-CoV-2 transmission within a Boston hospital system, and one from CDC’s Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report (MMWR), showing that wearing a mask prevented the spread of infection from two hair stylists to their customers in Missouri.
    - ravar 6y ago
      The understanding of effectiveness did not change, what changed is that enough masks were being produced that the supply of medical masks did not need to protected any more. We were lied to at the start. https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/502890-fauci-why-the-public-wasnt-told-to-wear-masks https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-c...
      - ceejayoz 6y ago
        It's a bit of both. If you go through the literature, there's genuinely very little concrete useful stuff on mask efficacy pre-COVID. "We're not sure" was a pretty reasonable statement back in March. "Masks don't work" like the US Surgeon General was tweeting at the time wasn't a very supportable statement, though. (The lie didn't work, either, and likely harmed trust in public officials on the matter.)
pjc50 6y ago
Because they're going to get people killed?
- StreamBright 6y ago
  Sugar will get people killed by a large factor more. Do you want to ban sugar?
  - cbg0 6y ago
    This is an argument in bad faith. Someone choosing to eat a lot of sugar won't give you health problems, but someone that's sick and not wearing a mask could put you in the grave.
  - pjc50 6y ago
    Your consumption of sugar does not have the ability to get me killed.
    - ghthor 6y ago
      Yes it does, if you get diabetes you could kill me from your car, or take up critical health resources that lead to me not getting treatment. Sugar is dangerous.
- cosmojg 6y ago
  Shouldn't people be held responsible for their own decisions?
  - pjc50 6y ago
    Criminal liability is inappropriate for people spreading disease unless you can really prove intent. And, frankly, trying to prosecute 200k people is infeasible.
    - selimthegrim 6y ago
      Civil liability? Taking away federal funding to sheriffs who refuse to enforce mask rules?

If they're not breaking the rules why report them?

by donatj 6y ago

If they're not breaking the rules why report them?

COVID disinformation is against is against Facebook's terms. They just don't make it easy to report it. https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/08/05/trump-post-removed-facebook/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/08/05/trump-p... > Facebook spokesman Andy Stone said, “This video includes false claims that a group of people is immune from COVID-19 which is a violation of our policies around harmful COVID misinformation."

StreamBright 6y ago
Pushing against wearing a mask is not based on misinformation unless you qualify the CDC's stance on this misinformation. https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article "Although mechanistic studies support the potential effect of hand hygiene or face masks, evidence from 14 randomized controlled trials of these measures did not support a substantial effect on transmission of laboratory-confirmed influenza. We similarly found limited evidence on the effectiveness of improved hygiene and environmental cleaning. We identified several major knowledge gaps requiring further research, most fundamentally an improved characterization of the modes of person-to-person transmission."
- ceejayoz 6y ago
  Our understanding of the effectiveness of masks has progressed substantially since May. That study is not the CDC's current stance (and a single study on their site isn't a stance), nor does it reflect more recent research. Here's July, for example: https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2020/p0714-americans-to-wear-masks.html https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2020/p0714-americans-to-w... > In an editorial published today in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA), CDC reviewed the latest science and affirms that cloth face coverings are a critical tool in the fight against COVID-19 that could reduce the spread of the disease, particularly when used universally within communities. There is increasing evidence that cloth face coverings help prevent people who have COVID-19 from spreading the virus to others. > This review included two case studies out today, one from JAMA, showing that adherence to universal masking policies reduced SARS-CoV-2 transmission within a Boston hospital system, and one from CDC’s Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report (MMWR), showing that wearing a mask prevented the spread of infection from two hair stylists to their customers in Missouri.
  - ravar 6y ago
    The understanding of effectiveness did not change, what changed is that enough masks were being produced that the supply of medical masks did not need to protected any more. We were lied to at the start. https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/502890-fauci-why-the-public-wasnt-told-to-wear-masks https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-c...
    - ceejayoz 6y ago
      It's a bit of both. If you go through the literature, there's genuinely very little concrete useful stuff on mask efficacy pre-COVID. "We're not sure" was a pretty reasonable statement back in March. "Masks don't work" like the US Surgeon General was tweeting at the time wasn't a very supportable statement, though. (The lie didn't work, either, and likely harmed trust in public officials on the matter.)

pjc50 6y ago

Because they're going to get people killed?

StreamBright 6y ago
Sugar will get people killed by a large factor more. Do you want to ban sugar?
- cbg0 6y ago
  This is an argument in bad faith. Someone choosing to eat a lot of sugar won't give you health problems, but someone that's sick and not wearing a mask could put you in the grave.
- pjc50 6y ago
  Your consumption of sugar does not have the ability to get me killed.
  - ghthor 6y ago
    Yes it does, if you get diabetes you could kill me from your car, or take up critical health resources that lead to me not getting treatment. Sugar is dangerous.
cosmojg 6y ago
Shouldn't people be held responsible for their own decisions?
- pjc50 6y ago
  Criminal liability is inappropriate for people spreading disease unless you can really prove intent. And, frankly, trying to prosecute 200k people is infeasible.
  - selimthegrim 6y ago
    Civil liability? Taking away federal funding to sheriffs who refuse to enforce mask rules?