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https://support.google.com/mail/answer/6603?hl=en https://support.google.com/mail/answer/6603?hl=en This is most definitely false. Google still states that the

https://support.google.com/mail/answer/6603?hl=en https://support.google.com/mail/answer/6603?hl=en This is most definitely false. Google still states that they do not scan your emails for as targeting.

nkozyra 6y ago
And why would they? The data we provide to Google in myriad ways across numerous devices and services is far more fungible.
- TallGuyShort 6y ago
  This thread is like Chris Farley's lines from Billy Madison. "That Veronica Vaughn is one hot piece of ass. And I know from experience." "No you don't" "Well not me personally, but this guy I know. Him and her GOT IT ON." "No they didn't" "But you can imagine what it would be like if they did."
  - jhardy54 6y ago
    No it isn't. Google didn't originally scan emails. Then they did. Then they didn't. Countering "Google scanned emails" with "well the don't right now" is the only ridiculous behavior in this thread.
    - joshuamorton 6y ago
      But they did[0] from the beginning. And then later they stopped. There was no start then stop. There was only a stop. (I work on Gmail) [0]: https://privacyrights.org/resources/privacy-and-civil-liberties-organizations-urge-google-suspend-gmail https://privacyrights.org/resources/privacy-and-civil-libert... (from 2004, the year Gmail launched)
      - jhardy54 6y ago
        Interesting, thanks for the correction! I could've sworn that Gmail provided some "we don't scan your email" privacy since the beginning but it sounds like I was confused.
tunap 6y ago
Your words are as spurious as Goog's. Where you state Still means, they STOPPED scanning emails for targeted ads, supposedly in 2017(Did they "pinky-swear"?). So, they always did before, as stated it in plain words in 1st 2 paragraphs of their previous EULAs. Now that they claim they don't "scan emails for ads", they don't state they no longer scan emails and it does not state what they do, currently, scan emails for. Please don't retort "they don't sell PII", as P2 most definitely is what they use to sell X to 3rd parties in whatever form the ubiquitous NDAs prevent the public from knowing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gmail#Automated_scanning_of_email_content https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gmail#Automated_scanning_of_em... Edit: P2 > PII, am watching motogp & removed unnecessary personal jab.
- joshuamorton 6y ago
  Well of course Gmail scans your email. Spam filtering requires scanning, not to mention things like putting labels in the emails. Why do you think Google would sell pii? It doesn't make business sense. (I work on Gmail)
  - TeMPOraL 6y ago
    > Why do you think Google would sell pii? It doesn't make business sense. In these discussions, "selling PII" is sometimes a short for "providing a service that allows targeting ads based on PII without actually releasing PII itself to the service users", which is only a little less bad.
    - joshuamorton 6y ago
      Given the context, it's clear that's not what GP means. Also, from a privacy perspective, there is a vast difference between the two. One person who you trust to keep your data safe (but not to use it in ways you find ethical necessarily) is vastly different from them giving it to other parties who you don't know.
      - TeMPOraL 6y ago
jefftk 6y ago
Right: this went in the other direction. Initially, GMail scanned messages for ads, and was public in that this was part of how it was funded: "Google also places advertising on Gmail based on key words that appear in messages transmitted through our system (it’s a good example of ads helping to pay for the free services we all enjoy online) - so if you’re emailing a friend about a trip to Paris, for example, ads might appear on the right hand side of the page for trains to France. Google does this using software similar to the kind that scans emails for viruses, to filter out spam and turn the bits of data received into the characters on the screen. No human being other than the user ever reads the messages sent or received on Gmail – it’s simply a computer matching up key words in peoples’ emails with targeted ads." -- https://static.googleusercontent.com/media/services.google.com/en//blog_resources/google_privacy_booklet.pdf https://static.googleusercontent.com/media/services.google.c... (~2008) (Disclosure: I work for Google, speaking only for myself)
- makomk 6y ago
  Yeah, as far as I can tell this is actually the exact opposite from what was described - in reality people didn't really care about GMail scanning messages for advertising that much back in 2008, but it turned into a big deal later due to worries about Big Tech and then Google dropped it.

nkozyra 6y ago

And why would they? The data we provide to Google in myriad ways across numerous devices and services is far more fungible.

TallGuyShort 6y ago
This thread is like Chris Farley's lines from Billy Madison. "That Veronica Vaughn is one hot piece of ass. And I know from experience." "No you don't" "Well not me personally, but this guy I know. Him and her GOT IT ON." "No they didn't" "But you can imagine what it would be like if they did."
- jhardy54 6y ago
  No it isn't. Google didn't originally scan emails. Then they did. Then they didn't. Countering "Google scanned emails" with "well the don't right now" is the only ridiculous behavior in this thread.
  - joshuamorton 6y ago
    But they did[0] from the beginning. And then later they stopped. There was no start then stop. There was only a stop. (I work on Gmail) [0]: https://privacyrights.org/resources/privacy-and-civil-liberties-organizations-urge-google-suspend-gmail https://privacyrights.org/resources/privacy-and-civil-libert... (from 2004, the year Gmail launched)
    - jhardy54 6y ago
      Interesting, thanks for the correction! I could've sworn that Gmail provided some "we don't scan your email" privacy since the beginning but it sounds like I was confused.

tunap 6y ago

Your words are as spurious as Goog's. Where you state Still means, they STOPPED scanning emails for targeted ads, supposedly in 2017(Did they "pinky-swear"?). So, they always did before, as stated it in plain words in 1st 2 paragraphs of their previous EULAs. Now that they claim they don't "scan emails for ads", they don't state they no longer scan emails and it does not state what they do, currently, scan emails for. Please don't retort "they don't sell PII", as P2 most definitely is what they use to sell X to 3rd parties in whatever form the ubiquitous NDAs prevent the public from knowing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gmail#Automated_scanning_of_email_content https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gmail#Automated_scanning_of_em... Edit: P2 > PII, am watching motogp & removed unnecessary personal jab.

joshuamorton 6y ago
Well of course Gmail scans your email. Spam filtering requires scanning, not to mention things like putting labels in the emails. Why do you think Google would sell pii? It doesn't make business sense. (I work on Gmail)
- TeMPOraL 6y ago
  > Why do you think Google would sell pii? It doesn't make business sense. In these discussions, "selling PII" is sometimes a short for "providing a service that allows targeting ads based on PII without actually releasing PII itself to the service users", which is only a little less bad.
  - joshuamorton 6y ago
    Given the context, it's clear that's not what GP means. Also, from a privacy perspective, there is a vast difference between the two. One person who you trust to keep your data safe (but not to use it in ways you find ethical necessarily) is vastly different from them giving it to other parties who you don't know.
    - TeMPOraL 6y ago

jefftk 6y ago

Right: this went in the other direction. Initially, GMail scanned messages for ads, and was public in that this was part of how it was funded: "Google also places advertising on Gmail based on key words that appear in messages transmitted through our system (it’s a good example of ads helping to pay for the free services we all enjoy online) - so if you’re emailing a friend about a trip to Paris, for example, ads might appear on the right hand side of the page for trains to France. Google does this using software similar to the kind that scans emails for viruses, to filter out spam and turn the bits of data received into the characters on the screen. No human being other than the user ever reads the messages sent or received on Gmail – it’s simply a computer matching up key words in peoples’ emails with targeted ads." -- https://static.googleusercontent.com/media/services.google.com/en//blog_resources/google_privacy_booklet.pdf https://static.googleusercontent.com/media/services.google.c... (~2008) (Disclosure: I work for Google, speaking only for myself)

makomk 6y ago
Yeah, as far as I can tell this is actually the exact opposite from what was described - in reality people didn't really care about GMail scanning messages for advertising that much back in 2008, but it turned into a big deal later due to worries about Big Tech and then Google dropped it.