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Because they want to live in Europe?

by naavis 6y ago

0xy 6y ago
My comment never suggested there are none who don't live there by choice. Of course, by choosing Europe, you surrender literally millions of dollars (in compounding retirement investments over decades). I specifically mean EU countries by the way, Switzerland and London are the only exceptions -- and even then the US is better.
- dmitriid 6y ago
  > you surrender literally millions of dollars You don't. You spend those "millions" of dollars on ridiculously expensive medical care, on ridiculously expensive education, on car ownership, on... And in return you get worse infrastructure, worse medical care, worse ecology etc.
  - 0xy 6y ago
    Education is a choice in our industry. I'm self taught and I'm paid the same as colleagues with PhDs. As for medical care, all half decent tech employers provide comprehensive healthcare coverage. I don't know what you've been reading, but unless healthcare costs $200,000 a year (it doesn't cost 1/10th of that), you're better off in the US. As for "worse infrastructure", you'll have to be specific. There's crumbling infrastructure all over the US and Europe. Worse medical care is also a stretch. In fact, in some areas (heart attacks and strokes, for example) the US is a world leader. [1] I'll remind you that new grads in the US are often paid substantially more than senior level developers in the EU. [1] https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/22/the-real-reason-medical-care-costs-so-much-more-in-the-us.html https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/22/the-real-reason-medical-care...
    - eurosenior 6y ago
      > I'll remind you that new grads in the US are often paid substantially more than senior level developers in the EU. Yeah, ain't that right. I've been programming for 20 years, worked as a lead developer/architect and have usually been among the most highly compensated technical people in companies I've worked for. And yet I have never seen anything close to the kind of money fresh grads get at FAANG. On the other hand, if I landed a job paying 300k-400k USD a year, I'd probably just retire after 4-5 years.

Because they want to live in Europe?

by naavis 6y ago

Because they want to live in Europe?

0xy 6y ago

My comment never suggested there are none who don't live there by choice. Of course, by choosing Europe, you surrender literally millions of dollars (in compounding retirement investments over decades). I specifically mean EU countries by the way, Switzerland and London are the only exceptions -- and even then the US is better.

dmitriid 6y ago
> you surrender literally millions of dollars You don't. You spend those "millions" of dollars on ridiculously expensive medical care, on ridiculously expensive education, on car ownership, on... And in return you get worse infrastructure, worse medical care, worse ecology etc.
- 0xy 6y ago
  Education is a choice in our industry. I'm self taught and I'm paid the same as colleagues with PhDs. As for medical care, all half decent tech employers provide comprehensive healthcare coverage. I don't know what you've been reading, but unless healthcare costs $200,000 a year (it doesn't cost 1/10th of that), you're better off in the US. As for "worse infrastructure", you'll have to be specific. There's crumbling infrastructure all over the US and Europe. Worse medical care is also a stretch. In fact, in some areas (heart attacks and strokes, for example) the US is a world leader. [1] I'll remind you that new grads in the US are often paid substantially more than senior level developers in the EU. [1] https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/22/the-real-reason-medical-care-costs-so-much-more-in-the-us.html https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/22/the-real-reason-medical-care...
  - eurosenior 6y ago
    > I'll remind you that new grads in the US are often paid substantially more than senior level developers in the EU. Yeah, ain't that right. I've been programming for 20 years, worked as a lead developer/architect and have usually been among the most highly compensated technical people in companies I've worked for. And yet I have never seen anything close to the kind of money fresh grads get at FAANG. On the other hand, if I landed a job paying 300k-400k USD a year, I'd probably just retire after 4-5 years.