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this isn't some fan fiction or whatever this is literally the director of the movie. why do you think she's lying?

anonunivgrad 6y ago
Authors lie about their work all the time. A work stands on its own. Author statements, especially after the fact, are evidence. But because their reputations and public personas are uniquely tied to the work, they should be treated very skeptically. Especially if they concern a new political issue that more or less didn’t exist at the time the work came out. She is a transwoman best known for creating the Matrix, back when she was a man. She has plenty of reason to lie. Also, the theory and “evidence” is just patently absurd. Read those tweets for yourself.
- sky_rw 6y ago
  And more importantly now known for creating nothing good since she adopted feminine fashion.
- blevs 6y ago
  Before she transitioned. You wouldn't refer to a gay person before they came out as straight, right?
  - anonunivgrad 6y ago
    I’m not up on what the latest orthodoxy on this is. But plenty of people have transitioned back and forth. And haven’t we also been told that gender is “fluid”?
    - Pfhreak 6y ago
      I'm genderfluid. And gender is fluid for some people, but other folks have very fixed gender identities.
- moate 6y ago
  Her evidence: she wrote and directed the film and is explaining her experience and intentions into the art she created. Yours: ... people lie sometimes? Why are you a more authoritative expert on this topic? If you don’t feel you are, can you point to someone who is that agrees with you (producers, actors, etc)? If you can’t, why does this artist explaining their artistic vision feel like something you need to disparage?
- bawolff 6y ago
  This issue definitely existed in 1999
- Phaedor 6y ago
  You know what else happens all the time? People getting triggered by trans or gay issues being in any way connected to things they like. Unless you can show that she has any history of lying about this stuff I am going to assume that she is honest and that this is just a case of you being a snowflake.
- Pfhreak 6y ago
  > Especially if they concern a new political issue that more or less didn’t exist at the time the work came out. The fight for trans rights very, very much existed in the 1990s. To suggest that trans rights is somehow a recent phenomena ignores a whole lot of history.
- alicemaz 6y ago
  a lot of stuff in the twitter thread is eyerolling english undergrad turning everything into a literal symbol for essay points, sort of thing. but it is kinda true that the plot of movie is a morose depressed practically catatonic hacker guy feels trapped and cut off from authentic experience until a symbolic rebirth frees him to grow into the entity he was always meant to be
- dragonwriter 6y ago
  > Especially if they concern a new political issue that more or less didn’t exist at the time the work came out. Wachowski, AFAICT, doesn't tie the movie to trans rights as a political issue (though that had been an issue, though with very little public traction, for quite a while before the movie was made, so if it was going to be addressed in a major motion picture, doing it indirectly and subversively would be natural and necessary). It's incorrect to equate any story about that groups experiences, whether literal or metaphorical, as necessarily being about some political issue involving the group, though it's a common mistake for people outside the group whose only attention to the group is political to make that mistake.

Authors lie about their work all the time. A work stands on its own. Author statements, especially after the fact, are evidence. But because their reputations and public personas are uniquely tied to the work, they should be treated very skeptically. Especially if they concern a new political issue that more or less didn’t exist at the time the work came out. She is a transwoman best known for creating the Matrix, back when she was a man. She has plenty of reason to lie. Also, the theory and “evidence” is just patently absurd. Read those tweets for yourself.

sky_rw 6y ago
And more importantly now known for creating nothing good since she adopted feminine fashion.
blevs 6y ago
Before she transitioned. You wouldn't refer to a gay person before they came out as straight, right?
- anonunivgrad 6y ago
  I’m not up on what the latest orthodoxy on this is. But plenty of people have transitioned back and forth. And haven’t we also been told that gender is “fluid”?
  - Pfhreak 6y ago
    I'm genderfluid. And gender is fluid for some people, but other folks have very fixed gender identities.
moate 6y ago
Her evidence: she wrote and directed the film and is explaining her experience and intentions into the art she created. Yours: ... people lie sometimes? Why are you a more authoritative expert on this topic? If you don’t feel you are, can you point to someone who is that agrees with you (producers, actors, etc)? If you can’t, why does this artist explaining their artistic vision feel like something you need to disparage?
bawolff 6y ago
This issue definitely existed in 1999
Phaedor 6y ago
You know what else happens all the time? People getting triggered by trans or gay issues being in any way connected to things they like. Unless you can show that she has any history of lying about this stuff I am going to assume that she is honest and that this is just a case of you being a snowflake.
Pfhreak 6y ago
> Especially if they concern a new political issue that more or less didn’t exist at the time the work came out. The fight for trans rights very, very much existed in the 1990s. To suggest that trans rights is somehow a recent phenomena ignores a whole lot of history.
alicemaz 6y ago
a lot of stuff in the twitter thread is eyerolling english undergrad turning everything into a literal symbol for essay points, sort of thing. but it is kinda true that the plot of movie is a morose depressed practically catatonic hacker guy feels trapped and cut off from authentic experience until a symbolic rebirth frees him to grow into the entity he was always meant to be
dragonwriter 6y ago
> Especially if they concern a new political issue that more or less didn’t exist at the time the work came out. Wachowski, AFAICT, doesn't tie the movie to trans rights as a political issue (though that had been an issue, though with very little public traction, for quite a while before the movie was made, so if it was going to be addressed in a major motion picture, doing it indirectly and subversively would be natural and necessary). It's incorrect to equate any story about that groups experiences, whether literal or metaphorical, as necessarily being about some political issue involving the group, though it's a common mistake for people outside the group whose only attention to the group is political to make that mistake.