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My shit don't stink kinda argument. The majority of the arguments defending the US by comparison, to me comes as propaganda. If you are a patriot American you s

My shit don't stink kinda argument. The majority of the arguments defending the US by comparison, to me comes as propaganda. If you are a patriot American you should be using the Chinesse situation as leverage to get better accountability and transparency from the gov instead of trying to point out how other governmnets are just worst.

amurthy1 6y ago
Sure but the title of the article is saying one is worse than the other, so it's fair to refute that. No one is arguing the US situation is perfect and we shouldn't also seek to make that better.
fennecfoxen 6y ago
Look, there's a reason China gets the brunt of our ire, and it's not because US based companies are particularly laudable. It's more that China is notorious for its international campaigns to infiltrate foreign institutions, surveil its diaspora, its dissidents, and its political enemies, and use tools like blackmail and threats to apply pressure, using any means possible, to achieve its policy goals, often on foreign soil. China is also noted for its campaigns of systematic repression. When you are in the business of rounding up an ethnic minority for genocide, it does tends to color the discussion. You can arrange words that make the US and China sound morally equivalent, but when you actually look into it to compare the realities in detail, you see how vapid and empty this approach is.
- sirmoveon 6y ago
  Yes, yes. CCP China very bad. But US bunch of hypocrites, historically speaking. In my opinion, this is a great opportunity for the world to use the situation as leverage to keep them both accountable, rather than defend one over the other.
- newen 6y ago
  The US does all of these things. Remember the CIA? One million Iraqis killed by the US. What is that if not genocide. Currently, civilians are being killed by the US every day with their bombings. More civilians being killed every day by their sanctions. It’s genocide.
  - fennecfoxen 6y ago
    Sanctions on places like Iran Venezuela are "genocide" in the same sense that silence is violence, i.e. when you don't believe words have meaning, and when you seek to obscure rather than enlighten.

amurthy1 6y ago

Sure but the title of the article is saying one is worse than the other, so it's fair to refute that. No one is arguing the US situation is perfect and we shouldn't also seek to make that better.

fennecfoxen 6y ago

Look, there's a reason China gets the brunt of our ire, and it's not because US based companies are particularly laudable. It's more that China is notorious for its international campaigns to infiltrate foreign institutions, surveil its diaspora, its dissidents, and its political enemies, and use tools like blackmail and threats to apply pressure, using any means possible, to achieve its policy goals, often on foreign soil. China is also noted for its campaigns of systematic repression. When you are in the business of rounding up an ethnic minority for genocide, it does tends to color the discussion. You can arrange words that make the US and China sound morally equivalent, but when you actually look into it to compare the realities in detail, you see how vapid and empty this approach is.

sirmoveon 6y ago
Yes, yes. CCP China very bad. But US bunch of hypocrites, historically speaking. In my opinion, this is a great opportunity for the world to use the situation as leverage to keep them both accountable, rather than defend one over the other.
newen 6y ago
The US does all of these things. Remember the CIA? One million Iraqis killed by the US. What is that if not genocide. Currently, civilians are being killed by the US every day with their bombings. More civilians being killed every day by their sanctions. It’s genocide.
- fennecfoxen 6y ago
  Sanctions on places like Iran Venezuela are "genocide" in the same sense that silence is violence, i.e. when you don't believe words have meaning, and when you seek to obscure rather than enlighten.