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It's the patronizing way things get pushed that is a problem. Including you pointing out someone being in the minority, followed by asking a question: the answe

by mellow2020 6y ago

It's the patronizing way things get pushed that is a problem. Including you pointing out someone being in the minority, followed by asking a question: the answer is kinda moot if you already established might being right as valid in your view. It's a very thin veneer of good faith, and completely transparent to the person it's done to. If I told you to list 3 things you're grateful for each day, and hounded and sanctioned you for not doing it, if I talked about all these Nazis I know who incidentally also are not doing it, and meaningfully nodded your way every time, and made fun of you in filter bubbles... wouldn't you just do this minor thing that may actually be beneficial and is unlikely to do harm? This is the problem, and to use a pandemic to normalize that just makes it worse, morally speaking.

chki 6y ago
>If I told you to list 3 things you're grateful for each day, and hounded and sanctioned you for not doing it, if I talked about all these Nazis I know who incidentally also are not doing it, and meaningfully nodded your way every time, and made fun of you in filter bubbles... wouldn't you just do this minor thing that may actually be beneficial and is unlikely to do harm? The difference being that there is a strong scientific consensus that wearing a mask will save many peoples lives. I don't want to be patronizing and me pointing out that op was in a minority merely wanted to correct the "fellow germans" statement. But sometimes it's difficult not to be patronizing if you are following the strong scientific consensus on a topic. Because wearing masks shouldn't be a political issue if you can't develop a reasonable counterargument.
- mellow2020 6y ago
  Listing 3 things you are grateful for each day will improve your whole life and all your relationships. As something that is likely to do good and isn't much of a sacrifice, it's the same thing, and you didn't answer the question. > Because wearing masks shouldn't be a political issue if you can't develop a reasonable counterargument. You are the one making it about the masks and only the masks, even the protests aren't, and I for one said IMO the pushiness is the problem, not what is being pushed.
  - chki 6y ago
    > it's the same thing It is not. Masks are meant to protect everybody, they are not meant to protect yourself. I'm not in favor of preventing consenting mentally stable adults from doing basically anything to themselves and – to answer your question – I would obviously object to other people forcing me into adopting any unreasonable habit. But this is about protecting society and risk groups. > IMO the pushiness is the problem, not what is being pushed. By "the pushiness" do you mean the laws that are in place to force people to do things? Because those are pretty common in all sorts of situations. Or do you mean the general attitude by commentators (in the media/on twitter etc.) towards people not abiding by those laws?
    - mellow2020 6y ago
      I didn't say "it's the same thing", I said "As something that is likely to do good and isn't much of a sacrifice, it's the same thing" > I would obviously object to other people forcing me into adopting any unreasonable habit. There is nothing "unreasonable" about naming 3 things you are grateful for each day. If you did it each day, you could probably get it down to taking a few seconds. > Or do you mean the general attitude by commentators (in the media/on twitter etc.) towards people not abiding by those laws? I do mean the attitude, but not about not abiding to laws per se. It's just a wholesale dismissal. Like, what does "mentally stable" have to do with anything, why did you weave that in there? Because instable people are complaining about masks or think G5 causes Corona? What do, for example, arguments put forward in the OP article have to do with that?

chki 6y ago

>If I told you to list 3 things you're grateful for each day, and hounded and sanctioned you for not doing it, if I talked about all these Nazis I know who incidentally also are not doing it, and meaningfully nodded your way every time, and made fun of you in filter bubbles... wouldn't you just do this minor thing that may actually be beneficial and is unlikely to do harm? The difference being that there is a strong scientific consensus that wearing a mask will save many peoples lives. I don't want to be patronizing and me pointing out that op was in a minority merely wanted to correct the "fellow germans" statement. But sometimes it's difficult not to be patronizing if you are following the strong scientific consensus on a topic. Because wearing masks shouldn't be a political issue if you can't develop a reasonable counterargument.

mellow2020 6y ago
Listing 3 things you are grateful for each day will improve your whole life and all your relationships. As something that is likely to do good and isn't much of a sacrifice, it's the same thing, and you didn't answer the question. > Because wearing masks shouldn't be a political issue if you can't develop a reasonable counterargument. You are the one making it about the masks and only the masks, even the protests aren't, and I for one said IMO the pushiness is the problem, not what is being pushed.
- chki 6y ago
  > it's the same thing It is not. Masks are meant to protect everybody, they are not meant to protect yourself. I'm not in favor of preventing consenting mentally stable adults from doing basically anything to themselves and – to answer your question – I would obviously object to other people forcing me into adopting any unreasonable habit. But this is about protecting society and risk groups. > IMO the pushiness is the problem, not what is being pushed. By "the pushiness" do you mean the laws that are in place to force people to do things? Because those are pretty common in all sorts of situations. Or do you mean the general attitude by commentators (in the media/on twitter etc.) towards people not abiding by those laws?
  - mellow2020 6y ago
    I didn't say "it's the same thing", I said "As something that is likely to do good and isn't much of a sacrifice, it's the same thing" > I would obviously object to other people forcing me into adopting any unreasonable habit. There is nothing "unreasonable" about naming 3 things you are grateful for each day. If you did it each day, you could probably get it down to taking a few seconds. > Or do you mean the general attitude by commentators (in the media/on twitter etc.) towards people not abiding by those laws? I do mean the attitude, but not about not abiding to laws per se. It's just a wholesale dismissal. Like, what does "mentally stable" have to do with anything, why did you weave that in there? Because instable people are complaining about masks or think G5 causes Corona? What do, for example, arguments put forward in the OP article have to do with that?