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Yes, I was noticing this too -- author doesn't state whether the country is locked down and social distancing/masks, etc. now. If so, they've only stabilized b

Yes, I was noticing this too -- author doesn't state whether the country is locked down and social distancing/masks, etc. now. If so, they've only stabilized because they adopted the recommended measures finally.

refurb 6y ago
First paragraph - "Unlike other countries, Sweden never went in to complete lockdown. Non-essential businesses have remained open, people have continued to go to cafés and restaurants, children have remained in school, and very few people have bothered with face masks in public."
- hn_check 6y ago
  Sweden has adopted virtually every recommendations without it being mandated. This is an enormous difference from some Florida Man arguing why lockdowns are unnecessary. As much as people focus on face masks, in Sweden the sparsity of people given their response makes it much less of a necessity. https://www.reddit.com/r/sweden/comments/i58jjj/helgtr%C3%A5d_coronavirus_20200807_09/ https://www.reddit.com/r/sweden/comments/i58jjj/helgtr%C3%A5... There you go -- read about Swedes talking about their COVID-19 experience. It is a universe removed from normal, or what Florida-man-using-Sweden-as-their-no-biggie-example claims. Here you go - https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/vast/nastan-alla-fick-corona-efter-fest-i-dals-ed https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/vast/nastan-alla-fick-coro... Someone had an ill considered party. Despite the amazing herd immunity nonsense this guy is arguing (again, contrary to the entire expert community), most of the partiers got COVID. Ooops!
  - refurb 6y ago
    So if I understand you correctly, although Sweden hasn't closed schools, children aren't attending? And although non-essential businesses aren't closed, Swedes aren't going to those stores? And masks aren't mandated, but most people are wearing them?
    - hn_check 6y ago
      The snark is adorable and comically out of place. Swedish schools closed for the summer break just as COVID was peaking. They return in just over a week. Businesses are sparse because few people are shopping. Restaurants and bars were closed, and other than that have strict reduced occupancy. But Florida man is sure that Everything Is Normal. It's hilarity. That "look they didn't close their schools"...when they were closed regardless. Hurr. "And masks aren't mandated, but most people are wearing them?" Masks are necessary when you're in close proximity to other people. Swedes aren't getting in close proximity to other people. Are you getting this? The Cult of Idiocy that has overtaken the US isn't there in Sweden. Florida in their highest level of lockdown has dramatically more social interaction than Sweden minus it.
      - dang 6y ago
        Would you please stop posting in the flamewar style to HN? You break the site guidelines routinely, and we ban accounts that do that. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
      - refurb 6y ago
        No snark intended, I'm actually trying to understand what's happening versus what's being reported.
    - tgsovlerkhgsel 6y ago
      > And although non-essential businesses aren't closed, Swedes aren't going to those stores? My understanding (based on what I've heard) is that that was indeed the situation at least during the peak; not sure if that's still the case.
    - Vrondi 6y ago
      Their schools have been on summer break, right? So there haven't been classes to attend.
- mcguire 6y ago
  Also in Sweden: "Now, increasing numbers of workers are also coming forward to criticise regional healthcare authorities for protocols which they say discourage care home workers from sending residents into hospital, and prevent care home and nursing staff from administering oxygen without a doctor's approval, either as part of acute or palliative (end-of-life) services. "'We were told not to send them in' "They told us that we shouldn't send anyone to the hospital, even if they may be 65 and have many years to live. We were told not to send them in," says Latifa Löfvenberg, a nurse who worked in several care homes around Gävle, north of Stockholm, at the beginning of the pandemic. ""Some can have a lot of years left to live with loved ones, but they don't have the chance... because they never make it to the hospital," she says. "They suffocate to death. And it's a lot of panic and it's very hard to just stand by and watch."" (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52704836 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52704836) My understanding is that Sweden avoided overcrowded hospitals by only offering palliative care (which doesn't include oxygen) to the elderly.

refurb 6y ago

First paragraph - "Unlike other countries, Sweden never went in to complete lockdown. Non-essential businesses have remained open, people have continued to go to cafés and restaurants, children have remained in school, and very few people have bothered with face masks in public."

hn_check 6y ago
Sweden has adopted virtually every recommendations without it being mandated. This is an enormous difference from some Florida Man arguing why lockdowns are unnecessary. As much as people focus on face masks, in Sweden the sparsity of people given their response makes it much less of a necessity. https://www.reddit.com/r/sweden/comments/i58jjj/helgtr%C3%A5d_coronavirus_20200807_09/ https://www.reddit.com/r/sweden/comments/i58jjj/helgtr%C3%A5... There you go -- read about Swedes talking about their COVID-19 experience. It is a universe removed from normal, or what Florida-man-using-Sweden-as-their-no-biggie-example claims. Here you go - https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/vast/nastan-alla-fick-corona-efter-fest-i-dals-ed https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/vast/nastan-alla-fick-coro... Someone had an ill considered party. Despite the amazing herd immunity nonsense this guy is arguing (again, contrary to the entire expert community), most of the partiers got COVID. Ooops!
- refurb 6y ago
  So if I understand you correctly, although Sweden hasn't closed schools, children aren't attending? And although non-essential businesses aren't closed, Swedes aren't going to those stores? And masks aren't mandated, but most people are wearing them?
  - hn_check 6y ago
    The snark is adorable and comically out of place. Swedish schools closed for the summer break just as COVID was peaking. They return in just over a week. Businesses are sparse because few people are shopping. Restaurants and bars were closed, and other than that have strict reduced occupancy. But Florida man is sure that Everything Is Normal. It's hilarity. That "look they didn't close their schools"...when they were closed regardless. Hurr. "And masks aren't mandated, but most people are wearing them?" Masks are necessary when you're in close proximity to other people. Swedes aren't getting in close proximity to other people. Are you getting this? The Cult of Idiocy that has overtaken the US isn't there in Sweden. Florida in their highest level of lockdown has dramatically more social interaction than Sweden minus it.
    - dang 6y ago
      Would you please stop posting in the flamewar style to HN? You break the site guidelines routinely, and we ban accounts that do that. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - refurb 6y ago
      No snark intended, I'm actually trying to understand what's happening versus what's being reported.
  - tgsovlerkhgsel 6y ago
    > And although non-essential businesses aren't closed, Swedes aren't going to those stores? My understanding (based on what I've heard) is that that was indeed the situation at least during the peak; not sure if that's still the case.
  - Vrondi 6y ago
    Their schools have been on summer break, right? So there haven't been classes to attend.
mcguire 6y ago
Also in Sweden: "Now, increasing numbers of workers are also coming forward to criticise regional healthcare authorities for protocols which they say discourage care home workers from sending residents into hospital, and prevent care home and nursing staff from administering oxygen without a doctor's approval, either as part of acute or palliative (end-of-life) services. "'We were told not to send them in' "They told us that we shouldn't send anyone to the hospital, even if they may be 65 and have many years to live. We were told not to send them in," says Latifa Löfvenberg, a nurse who worked in several care homes around Gävle, north of Stockholm, at the beginning of the pandemic. ""Some can have a lot of years left to live with loved ones, but they don't have the chance... because they never make it to the hospital," she says. "They suffocate to death. And it's a lot of panic and it's very hard to just stand by and watch."" (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52704836 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52704836) My understanding is that Sweden avoided overcrowded hospitals by only offering palliative care (which doesn't include oxygen) to the elderly.