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Its baffling that lots of government still want to continue the lockdown.

by matz1 6y ago

keith___talent 6y ago
The people who wanted power have it now, and they love wielding it. If they relent, the perception becomes that it never mattered in the first place. Lockdown makes them heroes and wise politicians, saving you from something that we know very little about.
- PaulDavisThe1st 6y ago
  Heroes? Name one "powerful" person who is a hero in this pandemic. I can't think of any. Cuomo was quite effective with his daily briefings but made so many other basic mistakes before and after the core part of the NY "wave" that even that performance didn't turn him into a hero. I haven't see a single wise politician, let alone a hero, within the USA with regards to COVID19.
hootbootscoot 6y ago
It's baffling that you would take this singular anecdotal factually-cherry-picked account of one doctors experience during one nations allegedly ineffective (lack of a) response to COVID as sensible advice moving forward. For one, his per-capita-death-rates are wayyy off. (1 out of 200 dying? try around 8% in Spain and Italy...) For 2, yes, it's precisely about slowing the spread 1) giving a chance for emergency services to handle the influx instead of being slammed in one go 2) attempting to quash a given outbreak So many sweeping generalizations here and so little counter-point to the facts the general public have become well-acquainted with, I'm afraid our Good Doctor seems a bit eccentric and witless writing such a trivializing dismissive blog post. Let's call him "an outlier" even for Sweden, as travel is not making his strange claims that "covid is over for Sweden" look even sillier. Covid is not finished for "the world" at large, and it's an interconnected world, and suspicion of "t-cells bearing COVID immunity rather than antibodies" as if the PCR were just a cheap placebo test and no antibodies were detected in prior COVID sufferers (it does detect them.)... this is all making light of what deserves serious engagement. Fire this man or get a committee investigating his various claims as flippant blogs are not the appropriate realm for such incendiary topics.
- refurb 6y ago
  You seem overly dismissive. I mean he states "this is my experience in Sweden", so I'm not sure how death rates in Spain and Italy are relevant to his observations. And the "T-cell immunity" is factually correct. Even the NYTimes wrote an article on how people who have never been exposed to Covid, do indeed, appear to have some level of immunity due to T-cell and likely prior infection by a related virus.[1] [1]https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/06/health/coronavirus-immune-cells.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/06/health/coronavirus-immune...
- tripletao 6y ago
  > 1 out of 200 dying? try around 8% in Spain and Italy... You have conflated the CFR and IFR, and are thereby spreading gross misinformation. From the article: > And remember, the risk of dying is at the very most 1 in 200 if you actually do get infected. They're talking about the risk of dying "if you actually do get infected" (i.e., IFR), not the risk of dying if you get infected and test positive (i.e., CFR). Most people infected suffer mild enough symptoms that they don't seek a test, so the CFR is much higher than the IFR. This is especially true during severe outbreaks, where people with mild symptoms are explicitly encouraged to just stay home until they get better (or worse) to avoid further stressing the medical system. A recent meta-analysis estimates the IFR around 0.7%[1], a little higher than the Swedish doctor's numbers but pretty close. The exact number will vary dramatically with the age structure of the population, since the IFR is >100x for old people vs. young. 1. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.03.20089854v4.full.pdf https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.03.20089854v...
benmller313 6y ago
I'm much more concerned about the citizen's that seem to be begging for continued lock downs.
8note 6y ago
Sweden has social programs where people can do their own lockdown and not be worried that they're whole life will fall apart. Eg. They don't have to keep working or risk not having healthcare. The US needs the big government sponsored lockdown because otherwise US companies will force people to go to work when it's not safe
d1zzy 6y ago
I sincerely hope they do so that the rate of infections in the general population is low enough that my limited exposure to other people when grocery shopping once every 2 weeks is low enough risk that I won't catch it.

Its baffling that lots of government still want to continue the lockdown.

by matz1 6y ago

Its baffling that lots of government still want to continue the lockdown.

The people who wanted power have it now, and they love wielding it. If they relent, the perception becomes that it never mattered in the first place. Lockdown makes them heroes and wise politicians, saving you from something that we know very little about.

PaulDavisThe1st 6y ago
Heroes? Name one "powerful" person who is a hero in this pandemic. I can't think of any. Cuomo was quite effective with his daily briefings but made so many other basic mistakes before and after the core part of the NY "wave" that even that performance didn't turn him into a hero. I haven't see a single wise politician, let alone a hero, within the USA with regards to COVID19.

hootbootscoot 6y ago

It's baffling that you would take this singular anecdotal factually-cherry-picked account of one doctors experience during one nations allegedly ineffective (lack of a) response to COVID as sensible advice moving forward. For one, his per-capita-death-rates are wayyy off. (1 out of 200 dying? try around 8% in Spain and Italy...) For 2, yes, it's precisely about slowing the spread 1) giving a chance for emergency services to handle the influx instead of being slammed in one go 2) attempting to quash a given outbreak So many sweeping generalizations here and so little counter-point to the facts the general public have become well-acquainted with, I'm afraid our Good Doctor seems a bit eccentric and witless writing such a trivializing dismissive blog post. Let's call him "an outlier" even for Sweden, as travel is not making his strange claims that "covid is over for Sweden" look even sillier. Covid is not finished for "the world" at large, and it's an interconnected world, and suspicion of "t-cells bearing COVID immunity rather than antibodies" as if the PCR were just a cheap placebo test and no antibodies were detected in prior COVID sufferers (it does detect them.)... this is all making light of what deserves serious engagement. Fire this man or get a committee investigating his various claims as flippant blogs are not the appropriate realm for such incendiary topics.

refurb 6y ago
You seem overly dismissive. I mean he states "this is my experience in Sweden", so I'm not sure how death rates in Spain and Italy are relevant to his observations. And the "T-cell immunity" is factually correct. Even the NYTimes wrote an article on how people who have never been exposed to Covid, do indeed, appear to have some level of immunity due to T-cell and likely prior infection by a related virus.[1] [1]https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/06/health/coronavirus-immune-cells.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/06/health/coronavirus-immune...
tripletao 6y ago
> 1 out of 200 dying? try around 8% in Spain and Italy... You have conflated the CFR and IFR, and are thereby spreading gross misinformation. From the article: > And remember, the risk of dying is at the very most 1 in 200 if you actually do get infected. They're talking about the risk of dying "if you actually do get infected" (i.e., IFR), not the risk of dying if you get infected and test positive (i.e., CFR). Most people infected suffer mild enough symptoms that they don't seek a test, so the CFR is much higher than the IFR. This is especially true during severe outbreaks, where people with mild symptoms are explicitly encouraged to just stay home until they get better (or worse) to avoid further stressing the medical system. A recent meta-analysis estimates the IFR around 0.7%[1], a little higher than the Swedish doctor's numbers but pretty close. The exact number will vary dramatically with the age structure of the population, since the IFR is >100x for old people vs. young. 1. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.03.20089854v4.full.pdf https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.03.20089854v...

benmller313 6y ago

I'm much more concerned about the citizen's that seem to be begging for continued lock downs.

8note 6y ago

Sweden has social programs where people can do their own lockdown and not be worried that they're whole life will fall apart. Eg. They don't have to keep working or risk not having healthcare. The US needs the big government sponsored lockdown because otherwise US companies will force people to go to work when it's not safe

d1zzy 6y ago

I sincerely hope they do so that the rate of infections in the general population is low enough that my limited exposure to other people when grocery shopping once every 2 weeks is low enough risk that I won't catch it.