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> The Government of China wants power. They want influence. They want information. They want control. And no Chinese company is allowed to refuse its pursuit of

> The Government of China wants power. They want influence. They want information. They want control. And no Chinese company is allowed to refuse its pursuit of those. I am not sure how this distinguish CCP from any other power nation's government, and warrants unlawful ban on a private company's APP.

sidlls 6y ago
There is no such thing as a private company in China in this context, except in name only. The government is deeply enmeshed in these tech companies' products, from requiring real verified names to censorship and other draconian policies. The notion that there are big tech companies in China operating outside the CCP's influence is, charitably, naive.
- justicezyx 6y ago
  > The government is deeply enmeshed in these tech companies' products, from requiring real verified names to censorship and other draconian policies. This simply has no factual evidences, let me give you examples: One claims CCP install party committee in all companies, and those committee controls major personnel appointment, and other critical managerial activities, etc. As we inquired, there is no open report whatsoever about such powerful "committee"... The person then gave a link of a old USSR organization [2]. For all we know CCP is about as different than USSR than US is to USSR... As for the Chinese internet law [3], does not apply to company like TikTok, which explicitly does not allow mainlander to join the network. See [4], "Important: TikTok checks your cell’s SIM card at startup and if you are using a Chinese SIM it will block the access."; there is no way the company voluntarily to bend to a law that it has no obligation to comply... [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24016881 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24016881 [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24018111 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24018111 [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Internet_Security_Law#:~:text=This%20law%20was%20enacted%20by,on%20a%20company's%20network%20operations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Internet_Security_Law#:~.... [4] https://www.saporedicina.com/english/access-tiktok-china/ https://www.saporedicina.com/english/access-tiktok-china/
maerF0x0 6y ago
the "they" is the difference. "they" in the USA is much more democratic (though clearly it is not perfect) "they" in the CCP is almost exclusively a small number of mostly unchecked elites such as Xi
- justicezyx 6y ago
  > "they" in the USA is much more democratic (though clearly it is not perfect) I thought the elected executives in all levels of the government have enormous power over many aspects of the society. And for the most part, elected executives do operate independently under the framework of law, without directly involving democracy process. > "they" in the CCP is almost exclusively a small number of mostly unchecked elites such as Xi Same here, Xi was mostly appointed through some shadow power committee embedded inside the CCP higher power circle. After "elected", they also operate largely independently, within the structure of law. Of course, Chinese laws are obviously given more power to the government at all levels. But I feel so puzzled about people's idea that a few individuals can actually exert their will in so large a nation like China. That's simply beyond the human capability (both mental and physical).
  - gruez 6y ago
    >And for the most part, elected executives do operate independently under the framework of law Rule of law is a thing. Trump and his organizations are currently under investigation in the state of NY. > without directly involving democracy process. Are you aware of how a representative democracy works?

sidlls 6y ago

There is no such thing as a private company in China in this context, except in name only. The government is deeply enmeshed in these tech companies' products, from requiring real verified names to censorship and other draconian policies. The notion that there are big tech companies in China operating outside the CCP's influence is, charitably, naive.

justicezyx 6y ago
> The government is deeply enmeshed in these tech companies' products, from requiring real verified names to censorship and other draconian policies. This simply has no factual evidences, let me give you examples: One claims CCP install party committee in all companies, and those committee controls major personnel appointment, and other critical managerial activities, etc. As we inquired, there is no open report whatsoever about such powerful "committee"... The person then gave a link of a old USSR organization [2]. For all we know CCP is about as different than USSR than US is to USSR... As for the Chinese internet law [3], does not apply to company like TikTok, which explicitly does not allow mainlander to join the network. See [4], "Important: TikTok checks your cell’s SIM card at startup and if you are using a Chinese SIM it will block the access."; there is no way the company voluntarily to bend to a law that it has no obligation to comply... [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24016881 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24016881 [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24018111 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24018111 [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Internet_Security_Law#:~:text=This%20law%20was%20enacted%20by,on%20a%20company's%20network%20operations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Internet_Security_Law#:~.... [4] https://www.saporedicina.com/english/access-tiktok-china/ https://www.saporedicina.com/english/access-tiktok-china/

maerF0x0 6y ago

the "they" is the difference. "they" in the USA is much more democratic (though clearly it is not perfect) "they" in the CCP is almost exclusively a small number of mostly unchecked elites such as Xi

justicezyx 6y ago
> "they" in the USA is much more democratic (though clearly it is not perfect) I thought the elected executives in all levels of the government have enormous power over many aspects of the society. And for the most part, elected executives do operate independently under the framework of law, without directly involving democracy process. > "they" in the CCP is almost exclusively a small number of mostly unchecked elites such as Xi Same here, Xi was mostly appointed through some shadow power committee embedded inside the CCP higher power circle. After "elected", they also operate largely independently, within the structure of law. Of course, Chinese laws are obviously given more power to the government at all levels. But I feel so puzzled about people's idea that a few individuals can actually exert their will in so large a nation like China. That's simply beyond the human capability (both mental and physical).
- gruez 6y ago
  >And for the most part, elected executives do operate independently under the framework of law Rule of law is a thing. Trump and his organizations are currently under investigation in the state of NY. > without directly involving democracy process. Are you aware of how a representative democracy works?