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I really don't think a comparison to the DoD's exorbitant budget is useful, as pretty much anything will be tiny by comparison. Granted I don't know exactly wh

I really don't think a comparison to the DoD's exorbitant budget is useful, as pretty much anything will be tiny by comparison. Granted I don't know exactly what is within their remit, but $8B is a fuck-tonne of money.

adwi 6y ago
~ $25/citizen. Edit: For reference, the UK spends roughly $150 per capita. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1098367/justice-spending-in-the-uk/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1098367/justice-spending...
- azernik 6y ago
  On a judicial system that covers a lot more than the US Federal Judiciary. Most cases in the US are run by state judiciaries.
- pradn 6y ago
  The UK doesn't have a federal form of government. The fair comparison would be to add in the cost of municipal and state-level courts.
  - wahern 6y ago
    California spends about $65/citizen.[1] $90/citizen seems to compare favorably to the U.K., at least in terms of outlays. It could also simply evidence that the U.S. judiciary is underfunded. I'm assuming the Ministry of Justice figure is exclusive of prisons. If the figure includes prisons, which cost ~$85/citizen in the U.K.[2] then court system expenditures would be greater in the U.S. (~$90) than the U.K. (~$65). [1] $2.5b over a population of 39 million. https://lao.ca.gov/Publications/Report/4097#:~:text=The%202019%2D20%20budget%20provides,19%20General%20Fund%20spending%20level https://lao.ca.gov/Publications/Report/4097#:~:text=The%2020.... [2] https://www.statista.com/statistics/298654/united-kingdom-uk-public-sector-expenditure-prisons/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/298654/united-kingdom-uk...
    - martinald 6y ago
      MoJ in the UK runs prisons, courts and probation service.
  - anigbrowl 6y ago
    So what? You can be charged or sued directly in federal court.
NovemberWhiskey 6y ago
OK, how about this: the entire Federal judiciary runs on a budget about 20% less than the NYPD.
- efitz 6y ago
  "This is bigger than that" or "this is smaller than that" are not particularly useful comparisons. I could use the same tactic to make the budget seem overblown. The budget for the US federal judiciary is bigger than the GDP of 64 countries[1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nomi...
  - dralley 6y ago
    You neglect to mention that most of those countries are islands with a couple tens of thousands of residents. The population of NYC may well be 5x higher than the combined populations of all of those countries.
    - oehtXRwMkIs 6y ago
      That is exactly their point.
      - emn13 6y ago
        The point is pretty incoherent then, because they're proving that indeed it's reasonable for the federal judiciary to have a larger budget and thus not demonstrating that comparing budgets leads to absurdity.
  - emn13 6y ago
    That's not a convincing argument, because it's pretty reasonable for a several orders of magnituge wealthier country to outspend a smaller economy on all kinds of stuff (including their entire GDP). Do you have a better example?
- Spooky23 6y ago
plazmatic 6y ago
Found the military industrial complex shill. Easy find. What a loser.

adwi 6y ago

~ $25/citizen. Edit: For reference, the UK spends roughly $150 per capita. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1098367/justice-spending-in-the-uk/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1098367/justice-spending...

azernik 6y ago
On a judicial system that covers a lot more than the US Federal Judiciary. Most cases in the US are run by state judiciaries.
pradn 6y ago
The UK doesn't have a federal form of government. The fair comparison would be to add in the cost of municipal and state-level courts.
- wahern 6y ago
  California spends about $65/citizen.[1] $90/citizen seems to compare favorably to the U.K., at least in terms of outlays. It could also simply evidence that the U.S. judiciary is underfunded. I'm assuming the Ministry of Justice figure is exclusive of prisons. If the figure includes prisons, which cost ~$85/citizen in the U.K.[2] then court system expenditures would be greater in the U.S. (~$90) than the U.K. (~$65). [1] $2.5b over a population of 39 million. https://lao.ca.gov/Publications/Report/4097#:~:text=The%202019%2D20%20budget%20provides,19%20General%20Fund%20spending%20level https://lao.ca.gov/Publications/Report/4097#:~:text=The%2020.... [2] https://www.statista.com/statistics/298654/united-kingdom-uk-public-sector-expenditure-prisons/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/298654/united-kingdom-uk...
  - martinald 6y ago
    MoJ in the UK runs prisons, courts and probation service.
- anigbrowl 6y ago
  So what? You can be charged or sued directly in federal court.

NovemberWhiskey 6y ago

OK, how about this: the entire Federal judiciary runs on a budget about 20% less than the NYPD.

efitz 6y ago
"This is bigger than that" or "this is smaller than that" are not particularly useful comparisons. I could use the same tactic to make the budget seem overblown. The budget for the US federal judiciary is bigger than the GDP of 64 countries[1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nomi...
- dralley 6y ago
  You neglect to mention that most of those countries are islands with a couple tens of thousands of residents. The population of NYC may well be 5x higher than the combined populations of all of those countries.
  - oehtXRwMkIs 6y ago
    That is exactly their point.
    - emn13 6y ago
      The point is pretty incoherent then, because they're proving that indeed it's reasonable for the federal judiciary to have a larger budget and thus not demonstrating that comparing budgets leads to absurdity.
- emn13 6y ago
  That's not a convincing argument, because it's pretty reasonable for a several orders of magnituge wealthier country to outspend a smaller economy on all kinds of stuff (including their entire GDP). Do you have a better example?
Spooky23 6y ago

plazmatic 6y ago

Found the military industrial complex shill. Easy find. What a loser.