5 ms·

The first thing that went through my head when I saw this headline was: "Huh, maybe I should send them a resume." I'm hype if this trend continues.

subsubzero 6y ago
Same boat, founders seem level headed and the company seems heading in the right direction. For me a plus is the office locations in Australia. I wonder what the next companies to do this will be?
- tomlu 6y ago
  Make sure you visit Sydney specifically though, it's a bit different from the rest of Australia. It's not everyone's cup of tea, though you may well end up loving it.
- jay_kyburz 6y ago
  Everything I read about the founders makes me think they are great guys, I think they value the same things I do. They are also obviously smart and great business people too because they have very successful business. They also have a habit of acquiring products I like using. I was a user of both source tree and trello when they were acquired. Having said all that, I really hate Jira and Confluence and would not like being a developer working on them. The front end is such a mess, I hate to think what the back end looks like.
  - mbo 6y ago
    Counterpoint: working on infrastructure teams at Atlassian are significantly more pleasant than the product teams.
    - ununoctium87 6y ago
      Hello to you too, fellow Cloud Foundations team member
  - ramraj07 6y ago
    Isn't atlassian the most gung ho proponent of doing everything, everything through event streams and Kafka?
    - ununoctium87 6y ago
      Haven’t seen Kafka yet. Source: I work infra eng at Atlassian
  - alfiedotwtf 6y ago
    He was also here on HN comments telling everyone not to criticise the Australian Government’s COVIDSafe App while not disclosing Atlassian had a contract as part of the app’s development
    - nmfisher 6y ago
      Really? I'm Australian and that's the first I had heard of it (either the fact that Atlassian had a contract, or that he commented on HN about it).
      - alfiedotwtf 6y ago
        Here’s the comment: “Turn the HN angry mob mode off - it’s not helpful. We’re all in this together.” When asked by non technical people “Should I install this app? Is my data / privacy safe? Is it true it doesn’t track my location?” - say “Yes” and help them understand” https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22986426 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22986426 And here’s an article: “Australian tech darling Atlassian is among the five private companies that helped the federal government build its COVID-19 contact tracing app.” https://www.innovationaus.com/atlassian-and-the-covidsafe-team/ https://www.innovationaus.com/atlassian-and-the-covidsafe-te... The fact that they didn’t wait for Apple and Google’s contract tracking API and instead went for an app that needs the phone turned on and in the foreground for it to work properly is the reason why nobody is using it :headdesk:
james412 6y ago
You'd honestly work for the folk responsible for the BitBucket redesign, or the 6 billion lines of dynamic JS loaded for every Jira page? I'd sooner work the curb while living in a coal bunker
- errantspark 6y ago
  I didn't say that was my well researched opinion/plan!
  - hyeomans 6y ago
    You made me laugh because same thought when through my head
- michaelcampbell 6y ago
  Maybe he's the guy that can turn that around.
  - james412 6y ago
    Lapses on that scale are not an engineering issue, they're likely a culture issue. Atlassian are a successful business that sell to engineering businesses, but that doesn't mean their leadership know or care about engineering. I'd stake a large bet on the reality he could not turn it around. Atlassian are basically the Oracle of ticket trackers
    - nikanj 6y ago
      > Atlassian are basically the Oracle of ticket trackers That's the best way of putting that I've ever heard. Stealing it.
  - 0xy 6y ago
    Atlassian undoubtedly has very smart people working there, but the absolute cluster mess of JIRA and their other flagships indicates deep management incompetence that favors shiny new feature over cleaning up the mountains of jQuery debt.
momokoko 6y ago
Hope you like working India(Bengaluru) timezone and working for India wages. Like most that are higher percentage remote, the vast majority of development is done outside of higher wage countries and due to government currency policies are out of reach for those in country with a higher cost of living. I’m shocked how naive people seem to be in these threads about remote work. There is tons of remote work. There already has been for decades. It’s called outsourcing. The reason you can’t find remote jobs in high wage countries is because no one would be crazy enough to pay those wages for remote workers when they can find the same level of talent for less than half the price.
- ghotli 6y ago
  My experience working for the last ten years as a remote engineer couldn't be further from the way this is described. Just a single data point, ymmv.
- john4534243 6y ago
  There is a ton of demand for top talent and India is not going to fulfill that. India may have higher number of engineers but the ratio of decent talent at NON-FAANG companies is very low. The reason for this is in India Engineering education is forced by the parents and that's why there are too many engineers but good ones are very few.
- errantspark 6y ago
  You say that like it's a bad thing! Async work is a solvable problem. I want a fairer world.
  - momokoko 6y ago
    But is it fairer when a person lives in a country that intentionally has monetary policy that causes them to not be able to work for those lower wages? A person in the US is not legally allowed to move to one of those lower wage countries and cannot afford to house or feed themselves if they worked for those wages. A person in one of those lower wage countries can afford many luxuries on that lower salary due to cost of living differences. So that person, even if they are highly skilled, will instead have to work at a low skill job for low wages . Not because they have lower skills, but because their government is looking out for the wealthy asset class as opposed to the working class and those other countries(like India) do not legally allow US citizens to live and work in their lower cost of living country. I know of many companies with outsourced talent, that have a local office in the US where clerical workers and the janitors of the building make higher wages than the overseas outsourced engineers. And those clerical workers and janitors do not make enough income in the US to have decent housing or health care. They are forced, by the laws of the lower cost of living countries, to stay in the US and live poorly.
deleted 6y ago
[deleted]

subsubzero 6y ago

Same boat, founders seem level headed and the company seems heading in the right direction. For me a plus is the office locations in Australia. I wonder what the next companies to do this will be?

tomlu 6y ago
Make sure you visit Sydney specifically though, it's a bit different from the rest of Australia. It's not everyone's cup of tea, though you may well end up loving it.
jay_kyburz 6y ago
Everything I read about the founders makes me think they are great guys, I think they value the same things I do. They are also obviously smart and great business people too because they have very successful business. They also have a habit of acquiring products I like using. I was a user of both source tree and trello when they were acquired. Having said all that, I really hate Jira and Confluence and would not like being a developer working on them. The front end is such a mess, I hate to think what the back end looks like.
- mbo 6y ago
  Counterpoint: working on infrastructure teams at Atlassian are significantly more pleasant than the product teams.
  - ununoctium87 6y ago
    Hello to you too, fellow Cloud Foundations team member
- ramraj07 6y ago
  Isn't atlassian the most gung ho proponent of doing everything, everything through event streams and Kafka?
  - ununoctium87 6y ago
    Haven’t seen Kafka yet. Source: I work infra eng at Atlassian
- alfiedotwtf 6y ago
  He was also here on HN comments telling everyone not to criticise the Australian Government’s COVIDSafe App while not disclosing Atlassian had a contract as part of the app’s development
  - nmfisher 6y ago
    Really? I'm Australian and that's the first I had heard of it (either the fact that Atlassian had a contract, or that he commented on HN about it).
    - alfiedotwtf 6y ago
      Here’s the comment: “Turn the HN angry mob mode off - it’s not helpful. We’re all in this together.” When asked by non technical people “Should I install this app? Is my data / privacy safe? Is it true it doesn’t track my location?” - say “Yes” and help them understand” https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22986426 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22986426 And here’s an article: “Australian tech darling Atlassian is among the five private companies that helped the federal government build its COVID-19 contact tracing app.” https://www.innovationaus.com/atlassian-and-the-covidsafe-team/ https://www.innovationaus.com/atlassian-and-the-covidsafe-te... The fact that they didn’t wait for Apple and Google’s contract tracking API and instead went for an app that needs the phone turned on and in the foreground for it to work properly is the reason why nobody is using it :headdesk:

james412 6y ago

You'd honestly work for the folk responsible for the BitBucket redesign, or the 6 billion lines of dynamic JS loaded for every Jira page? I'd sooner work the curb while living in a coal bunker

errantspark 6y ago
I didn't say that was my well researched opinion/plan!
- hyeomans 6y ago
  You made me laugh because same thought when through my head
michaelcampbell 6y ago
Maybe he's the guy that can turn that around.
- james412 6y ago
  Lapses on that scale are not an engineering issue, they're likely a culture issue. Atlassian are a successful business that sell to engineering businesses, but that doesn't mean their leadership know or care about engineering. I'd stake a large bet on the reality he could not turn it around. Atlassian are basically the Oracle of ticket trackers
  - nikanj 6y ago
    > Atlassian are basically the Oracle of ticket trackers That's the best way of putting that I've ever heard. Stealing it.
- 0xy 6y ago
  Atlassian undoubtedly has very smart people working there, but the absolute cluster mess of JIRA and their other flagships indicates deep management incompetence that favors shiny new feature over cleaning up the mountains of jQuery debt.

momokoko 6y ago

Hope you like working India(Bengaluru) timezone and working for India wages. Like most that are higher percentage remote, the vast majority of development is done outside of higher wage countries and due to government currency policies are out of reach for those in country with a higher cost of living. I’m shocked how naive people seem to be in these threads about remote work. There is tons of remote work. There already has been for decades. It’s called outsourcing. The reason you can’t find remote jobs in high wage countries is because no one would be crazy enough to pay those wages for remote workers when they can find the same level of talent for less than half the price.

ghotli 6y ago
My experience working for the last ten years as a remote engineer couldn't be further from the way this is described. Just a single data point, ymmv.
john4534243 6y ago
There is a ton of demand for top talent and India is not going to fulfill that. India may have higher number of engineers but the ratio of decent talent at NON-FAANG companies is very low. The reason for this is in India Engineering education is forced by the parents and that's why there are too many engineers but good ones are very few.
errantspark 6y ago
You say that like it's a bad thing! Async work is a solvable problem. I want a fairer world.
- momokoko 6y ago
  But is it fairer when a person lives in a country that intentionally has monetary policy that causes them to not be able to work for those lower wages? A person in the US is not legally allowed to move to one of those lower wage countries and cannot afford to house or feed themselves if they worked for those wages. A person in one of those lower wage countries can afford many luxuries on that lower salary due to cost of living differences. So that person, even if they are highly skilled, will instead have to work at a low skill job for low wages . Not because they have lower skills, but because their government is looking out for the wealthy asset class as opposed to the working class and those other countries(like India) do not legally allow US citizens to live and work in their lower cost of living country. I know of many companies with outsourced talent, that have a local office in the US where clerical workers and the janitors of the building make higher wages than the overseas outsourced engineers. And those clerical workers and janitors do not make enough income in the US to have decent housing or health care. They are forced, by the laws of the lower cost of living countries, to stay in the US and live poorly.

deleted 6y ago

[deleted]