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This looks like a standard Department of State advisory message. A fairly moderate one to “exercise caution”. The purpose of these advisories is to make sure

This looks like a standard Department of State advisory message. A fairly moderate one to “exercise caution”. The purpose of these advisories is to make sure travelers are aware of any situation. The article on France, for example, has messages about Covid-19, terrorism, and civil unrest, along with advice. Don’t read too much into it.

zamadatix 6y ago
Yeah, I went through the CDC site and most places are 3 or 4 with the same message (the NZ message is currently a 1). It may seem silly to just put that warning for basically any country at first but really when you think about it yes, you shouldn't be traveling during a pandemic. I.e. "warning on traveling to <x>" does not mean "because traveling inside the US is a good idea" it means "exercise caution when traveling during a pandemic". It's unfortunate both the article and comments instead only talk about the most polarizing interpretations rather than look into the story.
- jmalicki 6y ago
  Correction, NZ is a 2 (it is a CDC level 1 advisory, which makes it a State Dept. level 2). Still, only Taiwan and Macau have level 1 (the safest level) advisories, so the State Dept. is calling NZ one of the safest 11 countries in the world, rather than the safest 3.
- xupybd 6y ago
  NZ media has a negative opinion of the current US administration and tends to write everything about them in a negative way.
  - olliej 6y ago
    That’s not just the NZ media, and it’s not just NZ. More or less every country other than the US looks at America as a train wreck now. It’s an embarrassment
    - maneesh 6y ago
      Do you think America isn’t looking at America like a trainwreck too?
      - olliej 6y ago
        Nope, but a lot of America clearly sees the current policies as being a success :-/
    - unishark 6y ago
      And in turn most Americans don't know or care about the rest of the world. It's been this way my entire (relatively long) life. The only new thing that is the last couple decades brought the internet where many of us can learn about what's going on out there.
      - fermienrico 6y ago
        That's true for pretty much any large country. Do you really think some middle family in Xiamen really gives a shit about American politics? Do you think that a 55 year old farmer in Ohio, USA gives a damn about the the rest of the world? People are just getting by for the most part.
        etherealmachine 6y ago
        My girlfriend's father in Malaysia watched CCTV and a few other Chinese language broadcast news stations that had stories on what was happening in the US every day, so if the family in Xiamen has a TV then they might not "follow" US politics, but they definitely get informed about what's happening here.
      - totalZero 6y ago
        Dare I say, that's a little unfair to America. About a quarter of the population of the USA is either first-generation or second-generation American. Very few other countries have as much of a connection with the rest of the world.
  - fermienrico 6y ago
    I hope America can recover out of the damage the current administration has done. If Joe Biden wins the presidency, he is going to be busy meeting leaders of the world apologizing the mess Trump has created. Just read through the 2016 Trump Presidency thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12907201 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12907201 And the DNC strategy leaked in Wikileaks: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cwy_92NWEAAwyqe.jpg:large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cwy_92NWEAAwyqe.jpg:large Quoting comments: > Trump won because the Democrats railroaded their best candidate in favor of someone who is profoundly unlikeable and untrustworthy. Regardless of if she is truly a criminal, or not, the Democratic party choose a candidate who is under investigation by the FBI instead of a candidate that had real honest to god connection with the working people of the country. The voters have literally said that even Trump is better than what the Democrats have tried to ram down their throats this election. This election was lost, not won. I think we all would have been singing a different tune at this time if Hillary Clinton was the president. Remember, she lost by a small margin, and I really truly blame her for the complete mess. She trusted the polls too much, didn't raise empathy for people and she hadnt got the charisma of Obama to win people. Hillary even had the popular vote. The course of history, and consequently the tunes of non-Americans and Americans' view of America would be different if small perturbations in short term had not caused profound changes in the outcome of history. NZ press would be praising Hillary in one way or the other. It is simply that powerful.
    - CapricornNoble 6y ago
      >>>f Joe Biden wins the presidency, he is going to be busy meeting leaders of the world apologizing the mess Trump has created. Assuming a future President Biden even knows where he is when he meets those world leaders. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/03/12/its-fair-speculate-whether-biden-is-mentally-fit-be-president/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/03/12/its-fair-... Really interesting see how the Bernie Bros felt on the subject: https://www.reddit.com/r/WayOfTheBern/comments/cpfrfg/if_democrats_nominate_a_sundowning_joe_biden/ https://www.reddit.com/r/WayOfTheBern/comments/cpfrfg/if_dem...
ashtonkem 6y ago
It just looks ludicrously pretty given the circumstances, however blind adherence to the letter of some rule is almost certainly the explanation here.
Havoc 6y ago
>Don’t read too much into it. Except that it wrecks the credibility of the advisory message. NZ borders are currently closed [1]. And even if you could somehow get in it's one of the safest places to be given their strong response. US issuing a travel advisory is a joke...on multiple fronts. [1] https://www.immigration.govt.nz/about-us/covid-19/border-closures-and-exceptions https://www.immigration.govt.nz/about-us/covid-19/border-clo...

zamadatix 6y ago

Yeah, I went through the CDC site and most places are 3 or 4 with the same message (the NZ message is currently a 1). It may seem silly to just put that warning for basically any country at first but really when you think about it yes, you shouldn't be traveling during a pandemic. I.e. "warning on traveling to <x>" does not mean "because traveling inside the US is a good idea" it means "exercise caution when traveling during a pandemic". It's unfortunate both the article and comments instead only talk about the most polarizing interpretations rather than look into the story.

jmalicki 6y ago
Correction, NZ is a 2 (it is a CDC level 1 advisory, which makes it a State Dept. level 2). Still, only Taiwan and Macau have level 1 (the safest level) advisories, so the State Dept. is calling NZ one of the safest 11 countries in the world, rather than the safest 3.
xupybd 6y ago
NZ media has a negative opinion of the current US administration and tends to write everything about them in a negative way.
- olliej 6y ago
  That’s not just the NZ media, and it’s not just NZ. More or less every country other than the US looks at America as a train wreck now. It’s an embarrassment
  - maneesh 6y ago
    Do you think America isn’t looking at America like a trainwreck too?
    - olliej 6y ago
      Nope, but a lot of America clearly sees the current policies as being a success :-/
  - unishark 6y ago
    And in turn most Americans don't know or care about the rest of the world. It's been this way my entire (relatively long) life. The only new thing that is the last couple decades brought the internet where many of us can learn about what's going on out there.
    - fermienrico 6y ago
      That's true for pretty much any large country. Do you really think some middle family in Xiamen really gives a shit about American politics? Do you think that a 55 year old farmer in Ohio, USA gives a damn about the the rest of the world? People are just getting by for the most part.
      - etherealmachine 6y ago
        My girlfriend's father in Malaysia watched CCTV and a few other Chinese language broadcast news stations that had stories on what was happening in the US every day, so if the family in Xiamen has a TV then they might not "follow" US politics, but they definitely get informed about what's happening here.
    - totalZero 6y ago
      Dare I say, that's a little unfair to America. About a quarter of the population of the USA is either first-generation or second-generation American. Very few other countries have as much of a connection with the rest of the world.
- fermienrico 6y ago
  I hope America can recover out of the damage the current administration has done. If Joe Biden wins the presidency, he is going to be busy meeting leaders of the world apologizing the mess Trump has created. Just read through the 2016 Trump Presidency thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12907201 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12907201 And the DNC strategy leaked in Wikileaks: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cwy_92NWEAAwyqe.jpg:large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cwy_92NWEAAwyqe.jpg:large Quoting comments: > Trump won because the Democrats railroaded their best candidate in favor of someone who is profoundly unlikeable and untrustworthy. Regardless of if she is truly a criminal, or not, the Democratic party choose a candidate who is under investigation by the FBI instead of a candidate that had real honest to god connection with the working people of the country. The voters have literally said that even Trump is better than what the Democrats have tried to ram down their throats this election. This election was lost, not won. I think we all would have been singing a different tune at this time if Hillary Clinton was the president. Remember, she lost by a small margin, and I really truly blame her for the complete mess. She trusted the polls too much, didn't raise empathy for people and she hadnt got the charisma of Obama to win people. Hillary even had the popular vote. The course of history, and consequently the tunes of non-Americans and Americans' view of America would be different if small perturbations in short term had not caused profound changes in the outcome of history. NZ press would be praising Hillary in one way or the other. It is simply that powerful.
  - CapricornNoble 6y ago
    >>>f Joe Biden wins the presidency, he is going to be busy meeting leaders of the world apologizing the mess Trump has created. Assuming a future President Biden even knows where he is when he meets those world leaders. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/03/12/its-fair-speculate-whether-biden-is-mentally-fit-be-president/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/03/12/its-fair-... Really interesting see how the Bernie Bros felt on the subject: https://www.reddit.com/r/WayOfTheBern/comments/cpfrfg/if_democrats_nominate_a_sundowning_joe_biden/ https://www.reddit.com/r/WayOfTheBern/comments/cpfrfg/if_dem...

ashtonkem 6y ago

It just looks ludicrously pretty given the circumstances, however blind adherence to the letter of some rule is almost certainly the explanation here.

Havoc 6y ago

>Don’t read too much into it. Except that it wrecks the credibility of the advisory message. NZ borders are currently closed [1]. And even if you could somehow get in it's one of the safest places to be given their strong response. US issuing a travel advisory is a joke...on multiple fronts. [1] https://www.immigration.govt.nz/about-us/covid-19/border-closures-and-exceptions https://www.immigration.govt.nz/about-us/covid-19/border-clo...