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Really? I can absolutely see that. It seems OSX has been creeping towards that for some time, and now they're moving to ARM and stuffing their machines with "se

by encom 6y ago

Really? I can absolutely see that. It seems OSX has been creeping towards that for some time, and now they're moving to ARM and stuffing their machines with "security" chips, it's getting more and more locked down. Macintosh computers are steadily becoming iPads with hardware keyboards.

madeofpalk 6y ago
That is just not backed up in the actual events of what they are doing. If there was ever a time to do this it would be right now as they undergo changing Mac to ARM, but they're not.
- olyjohn 6y ago
  I don't think the right time to make that transition is while they're trying to switch to ARM. Right now, they're probably trying to get things switched by making as few changes as possible. That eases the transition for everybody. I'm not sure why they would want to deal with both things at the same time. They are both huge undertakings. Not to mention, the two things are really unrelated. Besides, how does CPU architecture affect the ability to lock the OS into only running App Store apps?
pier25 6y ago
You think Apple could make Adobe, Autodesk, and countless others go through the Mac App Store?
- bsaul 6y ago
  They've been already doing that for all the iOS version of their apps (which are now way past a simple player or viewer). Why not ? It's probably only a matter of time.
  - pier25 6y ago
    A couple of points: 1) Apple has much more leverage on iOS because it has a bigger market share and many more iOS users than macOS. 2) macOS has traditionally been an open platform 3) Many desktop app developers wouldn't be able to keep installing and running the products the way their do it now. For example, Adobe has an app called Creative Cloud that manages installs, licenses, active computers, and other things. It's practically malware at this point, but if you want to use Adobe apps there is no other way.
- addicted 6y ago
  Yes, yes they can. The real question is if they can convince all the professionals those companies cater to to adopt an ecosystem where software providers have to go through an arbitrarily and closely controlled App Store. If their hardware and base OS is too attractive to those professionals relative to the loss of freedom Adobe, etc. will follow. Thankfully, though, I don’t think Mac users will actually be ok with that. There’s been quite an exodus of professionals from Mac to windows based on much smaller things so far.
kace91 6y ago
you can't really stop a desktop computer from running arbitrary software. If users can install compilers (which you pretty much have to allow), then all you can do is make them go through extra steps.

by encom 6y ago

madeofpalk 6y ago

That is just not backed up in the actual events of what they are doing. If there was ever a time to do this it would be right now as they undergo changing Mac to ARM, but they're not.

olyjohn 6y ago
I don't think the right time to make that transition is while they're trying to switch to ARM. Right now, they're probably trying to get things switched by making as few changes as possible. That eases the transition for everybody. I'm not sure why they would want to deal with both things at the same time. They are both huge undertakings. Not to mention, the two things are really unrelated. Besides, how does CPU architecture affect the ability to lock the OS into only running App Store apps?

pier25 6y ago

You think Apple could make Adobe, Autodesk, and countless others go through the Mac App Store?

bsaul 6y ago
They've been already doing that for all the iOS version of their apps (which are now way past a simple player or viewer). Why not ? It's probably only a matter of time.
- pier25 6y ago
  A couple of points: 1) Apple has much more leverage on iOS because it has a bigger market share and many more iOS users than macOS. 2) macOS has traditionally been an open platform 3) Many desktop app developers wouldn't be able to keep installing and running the products the way their do it now. For example, Adobe has an app called Creative Cloud that manages installs, licenses, active computers, and other things. It's practically malware at this point, but if you want to use Adobe apps there is no other way.
addicted 6y ago
Yes, yes they can. The real question is if they can convince all the professionals those companies cater to to adopt an ecosystem where software providers have to go through an arbitrarily and closely controlled App Store. If their hardware and base OS is too attractive to those professionals relative to the loss of freedom Adobe, etc. will follow. Thankfully, though, I don’t think Mac users will actually be ok with that. There’s been quite an exodus of professionals from Mac to windows based on much smaller things so far.

kace91 6y ago

you can't really stop a desktop computer from running arbitrary software. If users can install compilers (which you pretty much have to allow), then all you can do is make them go through extra steps.