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> China has a large, modern and highly capable navy. They are perfectly able to protect their own shipping against piracy or any state-level actor that would be

> China has a large, modern and highly capable navy. They are perfectly able to protect their own shipping against piracy or any state-level actor that would be insane enough to start a naval war. In the event of a direct conflict, the American navy is largely defenceless against the Chinese ASBM capability. Lmao. The US Navy has roughly 3x the strength of all the other navies in the world combined. If the US and China went to war, the US would control the seas in about a month.

mastevb 6y ago
> the US would control the seas in about a month. Lmao. Is this another "home by Christmas"?
jdietrich 6y ago
America has a lot of very expensive but not necessarily useful ships (see the Zumwalt-class clusterfudge). China has an inexpensive anti-ship ballistic missile system that can sink anything in the Pacific. America's Aegis system might stop some ASBMs some of the time with a favourable wind. The prediction that "of course America will win this war easily, look at all the kit we have" does not have a good track record. https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/dec/27/china-deploying-carrier-sinking-ballistic-missile/ https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/dec/27/china-deplo...
- cthalupa 6y ago
  There's a few things here. First and foremost: Any argument we make is based on unclassified publicly known details related to the technological capabilities of both countries. This is an uninformed and untenable position to be making strong arguments from. Two: There's not a lot of evidence the ASBMs can actually hit moving targets. There are a lot of impressive claims on the ASBM and ASCM front, but we have seen impressive claims from Russia and China on prior weapons that have not panned out in reality. Everyone postures about having a better hand than they actually do. Tree: There's a lot of strategies we can employ besides Aegis. The US Navy has countered similar threats before, and can likely do so again. This Congressional Research Service report on Chinese naval modernization is an interesting read in general, but has an appendix specifically discussing ASBMs: https://www.everycrsreport.com/files/20191220_RL33153_d765d52dedca23a23b578d2e8973663ea169eaff.html#_Ref18055675 https://www.everycrsreport.com/files/20191220_RL33153_d765d5...
dzonga 6y ago
I learned something recently about sea mines. and land based guided balistic missiles that render navy carriers and destroyers useless.
paulie_a 6y ago
The us already controls the seas

mastevb 6y ago

> the US would control the seas in about a month. Lmao. Is this another "home by Christmas"?

jdietrich 6y ago

America has a lot of very expensive but not necessarily useful ships (see the Zumwalt-class clusterfudge). China has an inexpensive anti-ship ballistic missile system that can sink anything in the Pacific. America's Aegis system might stop some ASBMs some of the time with a favourable wind. The prediction that "of course America will win this war easily, look at all the kit we have" does not have a good track record. https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/dec/27/china-deploying-carrier-sinking-ballistic-missile/ https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/dec/27/china-deplo...

cthalupa 6y ago
There's a few things here. First and foremost: Any argument we make is based on unclassified publicly known details related to the technological capabilities of both countries. This is an uninformed and untenable position to be making strong arguments from. Two: There's not a lot of evidence the ASBMs can actually hit moving targets. There are a lot of impressive claims on the ASBM and ASCM front, but we have seen impressive claims from Russia and China on prior weapons that have not panned out in reality. Everyone postures about having a better hand than they actually do. Tree: There's a lot of strategies we can employ besides Aegis. The US Navy has countered similar threats before, and can likely do so again. This Congressional Research Service report on Chinese naval modernization is an interesting read in general, but has an appendix specifically discussing ASBMs: https://www.everycrsreport.com/files/20191220_RL33153_d765d52dedca23a23b578d2e8973663ea169eaff.html#_Ref18055675 https://www.everycrsreport.com/files/20191220_RL33153_d765d5...

dzonga 6y ago

I learned something recently about sea mines. and land based guided balistic missiles that render navy carriers and destroyers useless.

paulie_a 6y ago

The us already controls the seas