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Yes, we need some strong Republican for the people mayors and governors to replace these weak democratic wannabe leaders.

by ghthor 6y ago

justSayin000001 6y ago
More people have died from the weak and careless inaction of our president and his sycophant governors because of covid.
- kbutler 6y ago
  Trump's sycophantic governors with the most deaths: New York 32,817 Andrew Cuomo (D) New Jersey 15,924 Phil Murphy (D) California 10,083 Gavin Newsom (D) 58,824 of 160,976 of the US total https://covid19info.live/us/ https://covid19info.live/us/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_United_States_governors https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_United_States_... The next few (Texas 8,817, Massachusetts 8,709, Florida 8,051) are Republican, then Democratic governors of Illinois 7,822, Pennsylvania 7,364, and Michigan 6,524 put it over 50% of US deaths so far, and then some more Democrats, then more Republicans. Plenty of blame to go around.
  - perl4ever 6y ago
    It's unreasonable to equate the states that got hit first, with the states that watched it happen and smugly refused to learn from others' misfortune.
    - kbutler 6y ago
      As opposed to the absurdity of claiming the deaths are from "our president and his sycophant governors"? But I wouldn't equate them - the goal of the early policy was to flatten the curve to avoid overwhelming the health care system. That appears to have been accomplished - it looks like these later surges will not match the deaths-per-detected-case or deaths-per-population seen in the New York area. Part of that is better testing and treatment available now, but another large part is better policy - such as not sending covid-positive patients back to nursing homes.
      - perl4ever 6y ago
        If NY had such a terrible response, that's all the more reason why tens of thousands of additional people didn't have to die, if all the Republicans who hate Democrats had learned from it, rather than following leadership engaged in gaslighting people. Saying the states run by non-sycophants did terribly is an indictment of the Republicans, particularly the ones at the top, because of the chronology. You can say Newsom as well, should have learned, but that doesn't make it better for anyone else.
        kbutler 6y ago
        Thank your for recognizing that California and Newsom fit in the same general pattern as the widely derided, Republican-governed, late-surging states. I think the data above show that neither an R nor a D by the governor's name is significantly predictive of a state's performance, (but may be predictive of media coverage). Instead, mistakes have been made. But we've learned some things (but not really very much yet). Flattening the curve worked to delay infections and, well, _flatten_ the curve - not reduce total infections. We also seem to be getting some benefit from partial herd immunity at lower percentages of exposure than expected - probably because people are isolating and social distancing more, and possibly partial immunity from exposure to previous coronaviruses, and better treatments and policies are helping. These things are all helping states experiencing this later surge have a more moderate experience (and helping early states keep things controlled), and are much more significant than the governor's political party. So demonizing "sycophants" and "gaslighting" is not productive. Focus on behaviors and results, not politics.
        perl4ever 6y ago
        >Thank your for recognizing that California and Newsom fit in the same general pattern as the widely derided, Republican-governed, late-surging states. I was acknowledging that having cases grow later indicates they also did something wrong, not that they did the same thing wrong as others nor for the same reasons. CA nor NY can not absolve the Republicans, no amount of failure by their enemies can absolve them of leading their own people to destruction.
  - kombucha111 6y ago
    Casually leaves off Florida... you are cherry picking for partisan reasons.
    - kbutler 6y ago
      Read again? "Florida 8,051" Right after Texas and Massachusetts in descending order. Where did you think it should be? And it looks like Florida has turned the corner on this later surge - new cases 14 day trend is dramatically down: https://coronavirusbellcurve.com/#fl https://coronavirusbellcurve.com/#fl new deaths is still trending upward, as would be expected for a lagging indicator of the case trend. It appears unlikely to get close to the results of New York, which has a similar (but less elderly) population. https://covid19-projections.com/us-fl https://covid19-projections.com/us-fl

Yes, we need some strong Republican for the people mayors and governors to replace these weak democratic wannabe leaders.

by ghthor 6y ago

Yes, we need some strong Republican for the people mayors and governors to replace these weak democratic wannabe leaders.

justSayin000001 6y ago

More people have died from the weak and careless inaction of our president and his sycophant governors because of covid.

kbutler 6y ago
Trump's sycophantic governors with the most deaths: New York 32,817 Andrew Cuomo (D) New Jersey 15,924 Phil Murphy (D) California 10,083 Gavin Newsom (D) 58,824 of 160,976 of the US total https://covid19info.live/us/ https://covid19info.live/us/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_United_States_governors https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_United_States_... The next few (Texas 8,817, Massachusetts 8,709, Florida 8,051) are Republican, then Democratic governors of Illinois 7,822, Pennsylvania 7,364, and Michigan 6,524 put it over 50% of US deaths so far, and then some more Democrats, then more Republicans. Plenty of blame to go around.
- perl4ever 6y ago
  It's unreasonable to equate the states that got hit first, with the states that watched it happen and smugly refused to learn from others' misfortune.
  - kbutler 6y ago
    As opposed to the absurdity of claiming the deaths are from "our president and his sycophant governors"? But I wouldn't equate them - the goal of the early policy was to flatten the curve to avoid overwhelming the health care system. That appears to have been accomplished - it looks like these later surges will not match the deaths-per-detected-case or deaths-per-population seen in the New York area. Part of that is better testing and treatment available now, but another large part is better policy - such as not sending covid-positive patients back to nursing homes.
    - perl4ever 6y ago
      If NY had such a terrible response, that's all the more reason why tens of thousands of additional people didn't have to die, if all the Republicans who hate Democrats had learned from it, rather than following leadership engaged in gaslighting people. Saying the states run by non-sycophants did terribly is an indictment of the Republicans, particularly the ones at the top, because of the chronology. You can say Newsom as well, should have learned, but that doesn't make it better for anyone else.
      - kbutler 6y ago
        Thank your for recognizing that California and Newsom fit in the same general pattern as the widely derided, Republican-governed, late-surging states. I think the data above show that neither an R nor a D by the governor's name is significantly predictive of a state's performance, (but may be predictive of media coverage). Instead, mistakes have been made. But we've learned some things (but not really very much yet). Flattening the curve worked to delay infections and, well, _flatten_ the curve - not reduce total infections. We also seem to be getting some benefit from partial herd immunity at lower percentages of exposure than expected - probably because people are isolating and social distancing more, and possibly partial immunity from exposure to previous coronaviruses, and better treatments and policies are helping. These things are all helping states experiencing this later surge have a more moderate experience (and helping early states keep things controlled), and are much more significant than the governor's political party. So demonizing "sycophants" and "gaslighting" is not productive. Focus on behaviors and results, not politics.
        perl4ever 6y ago
        >Thank your for recognizing that California and Newsom fit in the same general pattern as the widely derided, Republican-governed, late-surging states. I was acknowledging that having cases grow later indicates they also did something wrong, not that they did the same thing wrong as others nor for the same reasons. CA nor NY can not absolve the Republicans, no amount of failure by their enemies can absolve them of leading their own people to destruction.
- kombucha111 6y ago
  Casually leaves off Florida... you are cherry picking for partisan reasons.
  - kbutler 6y ago
    Read again? "Florida 8,051" Right after Texas and Massachusetts in descending order. Where did you think it should be? And it looks like Florida has turned the corner on this later surge - new cases 14 day trend is dramatically down: https://coronavirusbellcurve.com/#fl https://coronavirusbellcurve.com/#fl new deaths is still trending upward, as would be expected for a lagging indicator of the case trend. It appears unlikely to get close to the results of New York, which has a similar (but less elderly) population. https://covid19-projections.com/us-fl https://covid19-projections.com/us-fl