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Through a system of judgement by peers, not a morally corrupt dictator

nicoburns 6y ago
Eh, I do think the US is probably slightly better than China in this regard. The camps for uighur muslims in China sound absolutely awful. But the US system is anything but fair. There have been hundreds of stories from Black Americans in the last few months about how unfairly they're treated.
Barrin92 6y ago
not sure if that was the intention, but that's not exactly an endorsement of the American people
- jessaustin 6y ago
  The claims that we voted for any of the last 14 stupid wars didn't cover us in glory either.
bllguo 6y ago
why does that matter if the outcomes are comparably despicable? In fact that seems _more_ damning to the US people
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- gruez 6y ago
  >why does that matter if the outcomes are comparably despicable How are they comparable? The black incarceration rate in the US is around 2.3%[1], meanwhile the incarceration rate for Uyghurs is estimated to be around 10%-15%[2][3]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_St... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_re-education_camps https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_re-education_camps [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_China
  - jessaustin 6y ago
    USA has 4% of the world's population and 25% of its prisoners. We are the worst on earth, in the history of earth. No wonder we invented "whataboutism".
    - sudosysgen 6y ago
      "Whataboutism" is such a baffling concept. The fact that it has been invented much less widely adopted is insane to me.
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    - gruez 6y ago
      Yeah, if your metric is "percentage of people imprisoned", then yeah, we are the worst. I'm not sure how it's relevant to my reply or this comment chain, which is discussing the treatment of dissidents and ethnic minorities. You and the person I was initially replying to are trying to derail/move move the goalposts to incarceration rate. Funny you mention whataboutism, because there's a distinct lack of it here. No one here is justifying America's incarceration rates by saying "the other side" does the same.

Eh, I do think the US is probably slightly better than China in this regard. The camps for uighur muslims in China sound absolutely awful. But the US system is anything but fair. There have been hundreds of stories from Black Americans in the last few months about how unfairly they're treated.

Barrin92 6y ago

not sure if that was the intention, but that's not exactly an endorsement of the American people

jessaustin 6y ago
The claims that we voted for any of the last 14 stupid wars didn't cover us in glory either.

bllguo 6y ago

why does that matter if the outcomes are comparably despicable? In fact that seems _more_ damning to the US people

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gruez 6y ago
>why does that matter if the outcomes are comparably despicable How are they comparable? The black incarceration rate in the US is around 2.3%[1], meanwhile the incarceration rate for Uyghurs is estimated to be around 10%-15%[2][3]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_St... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_re-education_camps https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_re-education_camps [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_China
- jessaustin 6y ago
  USA has 4% of the world's population and 25% of its prisoners. We are the worst on earth, in the history of earth. No wonder we invented "whataboutism".
  - sudosysgen 6y ago
    "Whataboutism" is such a baffling concept. The fact that it has been invented much less widely adopted is insane to me.
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  - gruez 6y ago
    Yeah, if your metric is "percentage of people imprisoned", then yeah, we are the worst. I'm not sure how it's relevant to my reply or this comment chain, which is discussing the treatment of dissidents and ethnic minorities. You and the person I was initially replying to are trying to derail/move move the goalposts to incarceration rate. Funny you mention whataboutism, because there's a distinct lack of it here. No one here is justifying America's incarceration rates by saying "the other side" does the same.