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Stock market correction? Nope, keeps going up. Defies logic.

snarf21 6y ago
Well, the Fed is currently propping up the market with trillions of purchases, not just of treasuries but even things like corporate bonds.
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- whatshisface 6y ago
  Am I wrong in thinking this is directly handing value from holders of dollars to holders of corporate debt and equity?
  - omgwtfbyobbq 6y ago
    I think that's an accurate statement. The transfer would be the delta between what the Fed buys that debt/equity for and what it sells it for later. At the same time, it could also be accurate to assert that without some organization propping up the economy, short term losses, and possibly long term harm, would greatly exceed whatever the delta ends up being on the Fed's purchases/sales.
  - jfengel 6y ago
    Well, yes and no. Thus far, dollars have not decreased substantially in value, except in the equity market. Consumer prices have been steady for many years[1], with a small (under 2%) annual increase. What's happening instead is that money is funneled almost directly from Federal Reserve accounts into equities markets, making only a brief appearance in the hands of consumers. There, it mostly seems to prevent deflation -- which keeps people buying stuff and avoids massive unemployment (and causing even more deflation). At some point the market will correct, and the outflow will go... somewhere. A lot of that money will simply vanish, leaving us with massive debts owed by the government to the banks and large bond buyers. That will be a whole different kind of crash. [1] https://www.bls.gov/charts/consumer-price-index/consumer-price-index-by-category-line-chart.htm https://www.bls.gov/charts/consumer-price-index/consumer-pri...
axaxs 6y ago
Good point. At this point I wouldn't be surprised if the fed started renting empty units.
deadalus 6y ago
* People don't have work, they are using the stock market like a casino. * Big Tech use skyrockets taking the market higher. * Fed pumping trillions inflates asset prices.
_jal 6y ago
Don't worry, patriot. The five year plan accounts for it. Once the Fed owns the entire market, capitalism shall overcome!
doopy-loopy2 6y ago
Cash is trash. That's why.

Well, the Fed is currently propping up the market with trillions of purchases, not just of treasuries but even things like corporate bonds.

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whatshisface 6y ago
Am I wrong in thinking this is directly handing value from holders of dollars to holders of corporate debt and equity?
- omgwtfbyobbq 6y ago
  I think that's an accurate statement. The transfer would be the delta between what the Fed buys that debt/equity for and what it sells it for later. At the same time, it could also be accurate to assert that without some organization propping up the economy, short term losses, and possibly long term harm, would greatly exceed whatever the delta ends up being on the Fed's purchases/sales.
- jfengel 6y ago
  Well, yes and no. Thus far, dollars have not decreased substantially in value, except in the equity market. Consumer prices have been steady for many years[1], with a small (under 2%) annual increase. What's happening instead is that money is funneled almost directly from Federal Reserve accounts into equities markets, making only a brief appearance in the hands of consumers. There, it mostly seems to prevent deflation -- which keeps people buying stuff and avoids massive unemployment (and causing even more deflation). At some point the market will correct, and the outflow will go... somewhere. A lot of that money will simply vanish, leaving us with massive debts owed by the government to the banks and large bond buyers. That will be a whole different kind of crash. [1] https://www.bls.gov/charts/consumer-price-index/consumer-price-index-by-category-line-chart.htm https://www.bls.gov/charts/consumer-price-index/consumer-pri...

axaxs 6y ago

Good point. At this point I wouldn't be surprised if the fed started renting empty units.

deadalus 6y ago

* People don't have work, they are using the stock market like a casino. * Big Tech use skyrockets taking the market higher. * Fed pumping trillions inflates asset prices.

_jal 6y ago

Don't worry, patriot. The five year plan accounts for it. Once the Fed owns the entire market, capitalism shall overcome!

doopy-loopy2 6y ago

Cash is trash. That's why.