> I always get the feeling that people love ORMs because they don't want to learn SQL. I suspect that's the problem. It's neither my feeling or my experience.

> I always get the feeling that people love ORMs because they don't want to learn SQL. I suspect that's the problem. It's neither my feeling or my experience. Every platform/language/OS/chip I know has annoyingly apparent problems. In my experience high-self-conidence-low-self-awareness folks are too keen to drop-level and 'make it right'. And love feeling how smart they are ('everyone who disagrees is obviously not as smart!) Too often 'smart-guys' cost more, long term. And I'm not ragging on you. That was me in my 20s. Embarrassingly.