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Where have bail laws caused any issue in NY? As a resident I haven't encountered any such issues. I wouldn't call "abandoning a neighborhood" a minor change ei

Where have bail laws caused any issue in NY? As a resident I haven't encountered any such issues. I wouldn't call "abandoning a neighborhood" a minor change either. It seems clear to me it's very much a calculated political move to do that so people can do exactly what you did - point and say "well we need police, look what happened without them". This should have no bearing on reform laws and abolition steps.

NovemberWhiskey 6y ago
The article below provides a summary of the discussion on the NY bail law impact: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/04/nyregion/crime-stats-nyc-bail-reform.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/04/nyregion/crime-stats-nyc-...
- adjkant 6y ago
  That's based on one month (January 2020) with clear political motivations directly discussed by NYT in the article If you look at NYC crime YTD, it's down 3% [1]. I don't see how thats a drastic or even minor change to public safety. Per your own link: > "Law enforcement experts say crime statistics can rise or fall in any given month for numerous reasons and explain that it is far more important to track trends over longer periods of time." One month just isn't representative of if a policy worked or not. Take March 2020 [2]. Crime down overall, including for assaults, something the NYPD blamed the bail law on in January. I specifically cherry-picked March on purpose - you can see if you look around that months go up and down. I'm not saying it's an open and shut case in either direction, but there's no macro rise as again evidenced on the YTD stats in the first source. [1] https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/crime_statistics/cs-en-us-city.pdf https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/crime_statist... [2] https://www1.nyc.gov/site/nypd/news/p0402b/nypd-citywide-crime-statistics-march-2020 https://www1.nyc.gov/site/nypd/news/p0402b/nypd-citywide-cri...
  - NovemberWhiskey 6y ago
    Hey; I'm just providing a source that talks about it - I don't have a dog in this fight.
    - adjkant 6y ago
      Didn't mean to come off as attacking, sorry :)

NovemberWhiskey 6y ago

The article below provides a summary of the discussion on the NY bail law impact: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/04/nyregion/crime-stats-nyc-bail-reform.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/04/nyregion/crime-stats-nyc-...

adjkant 6y ago
That's based on one month (January 2020) with clear political motivations directly discussed by NYT in the article If you look at NYC crime YTD, it's down 3% [1]. I don't see how thats a drastic or even minor change to public safety. Per your own link: > "Law enforcement experts say crime statistics can rise or fall in any given month for numerous reasons and explain that it is far more important to track trends over longer periods of time." One month just isn't representative of if a policy worked or not. Take March 2020 [2]. Crime down overall, including for assaults, something the NYPD blamed the bail law on in January. I specifically cherry-picked March on purpose - you can see if you look around that months go up and down. I'm not saying it's an open and shut case in either direction, but there's no macro rise as again evidenced on the YTD stats in the first source. [1] https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/crime_statistics/cs-en-us-city.pdf https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/crime_statist... [2] https://www1.nyc.gov/site/nypd/news/p0402b/nypd-citywide-crime-statistics-march-2020 https://www1.nyc.gov/site/nypd/news/p0402b/nypd-citywide-cri...
- NovemberWhiskey 6y ago
  Hey; I'm just providing a source that talks about it - I don't have a dog in this fight.
  - adjkant 6y ago
    Didn't mean to come off as attacking, sorry :)