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I think you're falling for the straw man here. A quick Google of the phrase yields many nuanced results with plans that sound very much in line with your prescr

I think you're falling for the straw man here. A quick Google of the phrase yields many nuanced results with plans that sound very much in line with your prescriptions: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/6/12/21283813/george-floyd-blm-abolish-the-police-8cantwait-minneapolis https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/6/12/21283813/g...

syshum 6y ago
I dont think I am, and reading thought the that story reinforced my statement "There is also a over riding belief that criminality is 100% related to systemic racism and poverty " as most of the commentary is about defunding the police and replacing that with some kind of social programs (aka socialism) under the belief that the reason people commit crime is solely do to economic hardship There belief is if we give people free stuff they will stop harming people. I disagree with this position We can eliminate militarization of police and decriminalize society with out adopting socialism I am 100% pro-capitalism and libertarian solutions to the problem, the "Abolish Police" movement seems to be just a reformation of democratic socialism under a new banner
- adjkant 6y ago
  This is incredible stretching + straw man to frame this as a political boogey-man (socialism). Do you consider EMT's socialist? They are non-police first responders. Why not make more departments like this to address the massive over-jurisdiction of police responsibility?
  - syshum 6y ago
    >>This is incredible stretching + straw man to frame this as a political boogey-man (socialism). It is not through when you expand the inquiry to writings and positions the same advocates and politicians have on other issues and topics. A clear pattern emerges . >>Do you consider EMT's socialist? That depends, since there is a large number of private EMT services who bill for their services directly no that would be socialism For government run Police, Fire and EMT service that boils down to how the funding for those services are collected on if they are socialist in nature or not. Here we would get in a public finance debate. That discussion however is not really at the heart of the matter, police respond to situations where there is an eliminate of physical danger, this includes medical emergencies. This is often desired by the EMT's themselves because situations people suffering a medical or metal issue can often turn violent. Again the solution IMO is not eliminating the police from responding to these calls, but to provide proper tools, training and resources to he police to understand the situations better. If you want to send along a medical person or a counselor that is something worth looking into but I do not believe replacing the police as the first line respondors defending the police, abolishing the police, or is the solution here

syshum 6y ago

I dont think I am, and reading thought the that story reinforced my statement "There is also a over riding belief that criminality is 100% related to systemic racism and poverty " as most of the commentary is about defunding the police and replacing that with some kind of social programs (aka socialism) under the belief that the reason people commit crime is solely do to economic hardship There belief is if we give people free stuff they will stop harming people. I disagree with this position We can eliminate militarization of police and decriminalize society with out adopting socialism I am 100% pro-capitalism and libertarian solutions to the problem, the "Abolish Police" movement seems to be just a reformation of democratic socialism under a new banner

adjkant 6y ago
This is incredible stretching + straw man to frame this as a political boogey-man (socialism). Do you consider EMT's socialist? They are non-police first responders. Why not make more departments like this to address the massive over-jurisdiction of police responsibility?
- syshum 6y ago
  >>This is incredible stretching + straw man to frame this as a political boogey-man (socialism). It is not through when you expand the inquiry to writings and positions the same advocates and politicians have on other issues and topics. A clear pattern emerges . >>Do you consider EMT's socialist? That depends, since there is a large number of private EMT services who bill for their services directly no that would be socialism For government run Police, Fire and EMT service that boils down to how the funding for those services are collected on if they are socialist in nature or not. Here we would get in a public finance debate. That discussion however is not really at the heart of the matter, police respond to situations where there is an eliminate of physical danger, this includes medical emergencies. This is often desired by the EMT's themselves because situations people suffering a medical or metal issue can often turn violent. Again the solution IMO is not eliminating the police from responding to these calls, but to provide proper tools, training and resources to he police to understand the situations better. If you want to send along a medical person or a counselor that is something worth looking into but I do not believe replacing the police as the first line respondors defending the police, abolishing the police, or is the solution here