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Abolishing the police combined with the protests (or riots) and the move against the NRA creates a very uncomfortable environment for probably half of the Unite

Abolishing the police combined with the protests (or riots) and the move against the NRA creates a very uncomfortable environment for probably half of the United States. All in an election year no less. Does no one remember 2000,2004 and 2016? Perhaps the DNC could write a book called “How to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory”

shadowgovt 6y ago
But it's an uncomfortable environment happening on the incumbent's watch. That doesn't say much positive about the incumbent's ability to lead, and suggests new leadership is in order.
- ghthor 6y ago
  Yes, we need some strong Republican for the people mayors and governors to replace these weak democratic wannabe leaders.
  - justSayin000001 6y ago
    More people have died from the weak and careless inaction of our president and his sycophant governors because of covid.
    - kbutler 6y ago
      Trump's sycophantic governors with the most deaths: New York 32,817 Andrew Cuomo (D) New Jersey 15,924 Phil Murphy (D) California 10,083 Gavin Newsom (D) 58,824 of 160,976 of the US total https://covid19info.live/us/ https://covid19info.live/us/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_United_States_governors https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_United_States_... The next few (Texas 8,817, Massachusetts 8,709, Florida 8,051) are Republican, then Democratic governors of Illinois 7,822, Pennsylvania 7,364, and Michigan 6,524 put it over 50% of US deaths so far, and then some more Democrats, then more Republicans. Plenty of blame to go around.
      - perl4ever 6y ago
        It's unreasonable to equate the states that got hit first, with the states that watched it happen and smugly refused to learn from others' misfortune.
        kbutler 6y ago
        As opposed to the absurdity of claiming the deaths are from "our president and his sycophant governors"? But I wouldn't equate them - the goal of the early policy was to flatten the curve to avoid overwhelming the health care system. That appears to have been accomplished - it looks like these later surges will not match the deaths-per-detected-case or deaths-per-population seen in the New York area. Part of that is better testing and treatment available now, but another large part is better policy - such as not sending covid-positive patients back to nursing homes.
        perl4ever 6y ago
        If NY had such a terrible response, that's all the more reason why tens of thousands of additional people didn't have to die, if all the Republicans who hate Democrats had learned from it, rather than following leadership engaged in gaslighting people. Saying the states run by non-sycophants did terribly is an indictment of the Republicans, particularly the ones at the top, because of the chronology. You can say Newsom as well, should have learned, but that doesn't make it better for anyone else.
        kbutler 6y ago
        Thank your for recognizing that California and Newsom fit in the same general pattern as the widely derided, Republican-governed, late-surging states. I think the data above show that neither an R nor a D by the governor's name is significantly predictive of a state's performance, (but may be predictive of media coverage). Instead, mistakes have been made. But we've learned some things (but not really very much yet). Flattening the curve worked to delay infections and, well, _flatten_ the curve - not reduce total infections. We also seem to be getting some benefit from partial herd immunity at lower percentages of exposure than expected - probably because people are isolating and social distancing more, and possibly partial immunity from exposure to previous coronaviruses, and better treatments and policies are helping. These things are all helping states experiencing this later surge have a more moderate experience (and helping early states keep things controlled), and are much more significant than the governor's political party. So demonizing "sycophants" and "gaslighting" is not productive. Focus on behaviors and results, not politics.
happytoexplain 6y ago
You should be aware that I've talked to liberals in rural areas who feel physically threatened by far-right rhetoric. I.e. the "the only good democrat is a dead democrat" video, conservatives guarding voting locations with guns, the president encouraging both these examples, etc. A couple of them have taken up gun ownership specifically because of this fear. I absolutely sympathize with both sides, but being "very uncomfortable" is nowhere near one-sided.
- syshum 6y ago
  I have never once encountered "far-right rhetoric. I.e. the only good democrat is a dead democrat", sounds more like authoritarian propaganda to me
  - notacoward 6y ago
    Have you considered the possibility that your experience might not be universal?
  - deleted 6y ago
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  - kombucha111 6y ago
    I absolutely have. It's real.
  - klyrs 6y ago
    Trump retweeted it. And yeah, it certainly does sound like authoritarian propaganda.
    - syshum 6y ago
      He retweeted a supporter video in which the person clearly said "Dead Politically" that was taken out of context by the media and other perpetually offended left wing people ironically in the exact way the person in the video said it would. The cancel culture of the perpetually offended is simply insane
djaque 6y ago
That's the point... Nobody is seriously considering getting rid of the police. Calling it that is a fearmongering technique from the political right. Biden doesn't even support the defund the police movement [1] which is the real goal of most of these protests. If you look beyond the media's reality distortion bubble, the defund the police movement is about diversifying how we respond to crises, not getting rid of the police as some claim. [1] https://www.factcheck.org/2020/07/trumps-false-recurring-claim-about-bidens-stance-on-police/ https://www.factcheck.org/2020/07/trumps-false-recurring-cla...

shadowgovt 6y ago

But it's an uncomfortable environment happening on the incumbent's watch. That doesn't say much positive about the incumbent's ability to lead, and suggests new leadership is in order.

ghthor 6y ago
Yes, we need some strong Republican for the people mayors and governors to replace these weak democratic wannabe leaders.
- justSayin000001 6y ago
  More people have died from the weak and careless inaction of our president and his sycophant governors because of covid.
  - kbutler 6y ago
    Trump's sycophantic governors with the most deaths: New York 32,817 Andrew Cuomo (D) New Jersey 15,924 Phil Murphy (D) California 10,083 Gavin Newsom (D) 58,824 of 160,976 of the US total https://covid19info.live/us/ https://covid19info.live/us/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_United_States_governors https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_United_States_... The next few (Texas 8,817, Massachusetts 8,709, Florida 8,051) are Republican, then Democratic governors of Illinois 7,822, Pennsylvania 7,364, and Michigan 6,524 put it over 50% of US deaths so far, and then some more Democrats, then more Republicans. Plenty of blame to go around.
    - perl4ever 6y ago
      It's unreasonable to equate the states that got hit first, with the states that watched it happen and smugly refused to learn from others' misfortune.
      - kbutler 6y ago
        As opposed to the absurdity of claiming the deaths are from "our president and his sycophant governors"? But I wouldn't equate them - the goal of the early policy was to flatten the curve to avoid overwhelming the health care system. That appears to have been accomplished - it looks like these later surges will not match the deaths-per-detected-case or deaths-per-population seen in the New York area. Part of that is better testing and treatment available now, but another large part is better policy - such as not sending covid-positive patients back to nursing homes.
        perl4ever 6y ago
        If NY had such a terrible response, that's all the more reason why tens of thousands of additional people didn't have to die, if all the Republicans who hate Democrats had learned from it, rather than following leadership engaged in gaslighting people. Saying the states run by non-sycophants did terribly is an indictment of the Republicans, particularly the ones at the top, because of the chronology. You can say Newsom as well, should have learned, but that doesn't make it better for anyone else.
        kbutler 6y ago
        Thank your for recognizing that California and Newsom fit in the same general pattern as the widely derided, Republican-governed, late-surging states. I think the data above show that neither an R nor a D by the governor's name is significantly predictive of a state's performance, (but may be predictive of media coverage). Instead, mistakes have been made. But we've learned some things (but not really very much yet). Flattening the curve worked to delay infections and, well, _flatten_ the curve - not reduce total infections. We also seem to be getting some benefit from partial herd immunity at lower percentages of exposure than expected - probably because people are isolating and social distancing more, and possibly partial immunity from exposure to previous coronaviruses, and better treatments and policies are helping. These things are all helping states experiencing this later surge have a more moderate experience (and helping early states keep things controlled), and are much more significant than the governor's political party. So demonizing "sycophants" and "gaslighting" is not productive. Focus on behaviors and results, not politics.

happytoexplain 6y ago

You should be aware that I've talked to liberals in rural areas who feel physically threatened by far-right rhetoric. I.e. the "the only good democrat is a dead democrat" video, conservatives guarding voting locations with guns, the president encouraging both these examples, etc. A couple of them have taken up gun ownership specifically because of this fear. I absolutely sympathize with both sides, but being "very uncomfortable" is nowhere near one-sided.

syshum 6y ago
I have never once encountered "far-right rhetoric. I.e. the only good democrat is a dead democrat", sounds more like authoritarian propaganda to me
- notacoward 6y ago
  Have you considered the possibility that your experience might not be universal?
- deleted 6y ago
  [deleted]
- kombucha111 6y ago
  I absolutely have. It's real.
- klyrs 6y ago
  Trump retweeted it. And yeah, it certainly does sound like authoritarian propaganda.
  - syshum 6y ago
    He retweeted a supporter video in which the person clearly said "Dead Politically" that was taken out of context by the media and other perpetually offended left wing people ironically in the exact way the person in the video said it would. The cancel culture of the perpetually offended is simply insane

djaque 6y ago

That's the point... Nobody is seriously considering getting rid of the police. Calling it that is a fearmongering technique from the political right. Biden doesn't even support the defund the police movement [1] which is the real goal of most of these protests. If you look beyond the media's reality distortion bubble, the defund the police movement is about diversifying how we respond to crises, not getting rid of the police as some claim. [1] https://www.factcheck.org/2020/07/trumps-false-recurring-claim-about-bidens-stance-on-police/ https://www.factcheck.org/2020/07/trumps-false-recurring-cla...