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> Amy Kane, or Helen Ramirez No idea who these people are? The only famous Solidarity poster I remember was with High Noon: https://d-pt.ppstatic.pl/k/r/1/1d/

by ajuc 6y ago

> Amy Kane, or Helen Ramirez No idea who these people are? The only famous Solidarity poster I remember was with High Noon: https://d-pt.ppstatic.pl/k/r/1/1d/96/5cefdcae73cef_p.jpg?1559223972 https://d-pt.ppstatic.pl/k/r/1/1d/96/5cefdcae73cef_p.jpg?155... > claimed that gay ideology be worse than communism They basically believe (or pretend to - it's hard to distinguish what is paranoia and what is political calculation at this point) that are the alt-right conspiracy theories are true. Gender/feminism/lgbt is cultural marxism, Soros wants to replace Europeans with Muslims from Africa, Jews and Germans want to change history and make Poles responsible for Holocaust, LGBT is a conspiracy to destroy the church and turn our kids gay (so that these leftist pedophiles may get them), ecology is a conspiracy to destroy our economy by renewable energy equipment producers and leftists in Brussels. And besides global warming is bullshit of course. Recently government promised miners that we will mine coal till 2060 (despite having to store more than 2-years' worth of it already because our coal is much more expansive than imported coal and nobody buys it except for national powerplants that are forced to buy it :) ). Even pedophilia in Catholic church is leftist's fault because most of it is male priest to male child so they are actually members of LGBT ideology. Hard to argue with such "logic"... Sad thing is - it's not just politicians and tinfoilers, decent people start believing parts of that after years of propaganda in state media and church. Basically there's 30% who believe all of it, 10% who believe parts o it, and about 20% who don't but vote them anyway because of social spending. And it's been that way since 2015... > reevaluate my prior estimate of how bad communism must have been in poland that's the fact not many people want to speak about :) 5% of population was in the communist party. In 70s few people were protesting - economy was ok and who cares about these crazy oppositionists. Communism sucked for people who wanted to be free or cared about historic truth or wanted to have a career, or to achieve something in life without becoming a spy. But for your average person that only wanted to have a job, a flat, and a family it was OK for most of the period. So what if it killed 20 000 people that didn't wanted communism? As long as you're behaving like everybody else it's very unlikely you'll have any problems. Solidarity was formed because the regulated prices for many kinds of food went up (because they weren't sustainable with the inefficient economy).

082349872349872 6y ago
Amy Kane and Helen Ramirez are characters in High Noon. As the whole movie is less two-dimensional than most westerns, their characters go beyond the typical blonde vs brunette.
- ajuc 6y ago
  Doh :) Shows I'm not into westerns.
  - 082349872349872 6y ago
    Is "Wybory" the same slavic root as the chorus singing "pick me" in: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuSf1UcFRq0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuSf1UcFRq0 ? (Russia is not subtle about encouraging deep rural population growth! The Subaru w/ spoiler and well-depreciated tractor are stereotypical village rides here, but we, being more densely populated, also have monoaxes. And you remind me I ought to explore "disco polo" sometime. Or do you have any recommendations for a more refined genre?)
    - ajuc 6y ago
      I don't know Russian, the sound and ending changes are very predictable for a Pole that heard the language several times, but there's lots of false friends and they often use different root words than we do. But I'm pretty sure it is the same in this case. In Polish "brać" = "to take" and prefix "wy-" adds aspect of movement out of some place so "wybierać" is literally sth like "to take out" and means "to choose". "Wybór" is noun made from that verb, and "wybory" is the plural of that noun, so it literally means "choices", but is most often used to mean "elections". "wybier mienia" from that song would be "wybierz mnie" in Polish. As for disco polo it's basically Polish country - few people listen to it unironically and say so publicly (epecially outside countryside), but play it during any party and everybody will dance. There's no wedding in Poland without disco polo. As for recommendation sorry for wall of text in advance :) I didn't know how to choose so I went chronologically. 60s and 70s were all about "big beat" which was basically Polish rock'n'roll. Some recommendations: Czerwone Gitary, Czesław Niemen, Skaldowie, Karin Stanek. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTjLZwpmufw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTjLZwpmufw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1CM68Z3z0A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1CM68Z3z0A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2WtBpMkxz8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2WtBpMkxz8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lW_XYk-Xc94 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lW_XYk-Xc94 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVFvIK7IRkw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVFvIK7IRkw In 70s-80s there was this weird genre that I like called "poetic song" that turned into "student's song"/"touristic song". It's started with Kaczmarski as something like Vladimir Vysocky or Bob Dylan - lyrics are more important than music, one guy and a guitar. I especially like Jacek Kaczmarski songs, there's also Łapiński, Gintrowski, Kleyff and others, and then the touristic songs took over and instead of politics and angst students started singing about how pretty the mountains are and how nice it is to camp in them, but the music style is still similar. The best examples are Wolna Grupa Bukowina and Stare Dobre Małżeństwo, but there's many more. It's very obscure genre, by the way, except for a few songs by Kaczmarski that turned into anthems because of politics in late 70s early 80s. Kaczmarski story is very interesting. He wrote a song called "Mury" in late 70s (inpired by Lluis Llach protest song about Catalonia freedom) which was supposed to be about political movements taking over art from artists with good intentions and turning on artists and anybody who isn't with them eventually. That's the song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwD6i9eOiYE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwD6i9eOiYE Solidarity took that song as its anthem and changed the last verses because it was "too pessimistic". Few people realize now what it was even about, mostly they think it was only about destroying communism. Basically it's a song that predicted what will happen with it :) Other "poetic songs": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-38k_Jom2eg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-38k_Jom2eg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMmfE9PkNpA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMmfE9PkNpA The touristic subgenre: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lt03Q4EDHYQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lt03Q4EDHYQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcxpdLbw3zM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcxpdLbw3zM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-1q80-m-yo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-1q80-m-yo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfp-DRAUN8E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfp-DRAUN8E 80s and early 90s was all rock (because it's a protest genre and there were lots of things to be raging against). Perfekt, Maanam, Lady Punk, Budka Suflera, Kombi, Lombard, Kazik. Examples: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=661sTP275nE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=661sTP275nE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7OgVpWQs5s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7OgVpWQs5s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nd3Yp4aUU7E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nd3Yp4aUU7E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3Nxamh3-t0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3Nxamh3-t0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3kicEsx7g0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3kicEsx7g0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuqVcDyOAoY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuqVcDyOAoY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esu5UYDFBew https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esu5UYDFBew The first song refrain is "Chcemy być sobą" (we want to be ourselves) but people sung "Chcemy bić ZOMO" (we want to beat up ZOMO). ZOMO was communist political milita that beat up A LOT of people to pacify protests and shut down concerts. 90s-00s was mostly about pop and rock-lite by bands like Wilki, Varius Manx, De Mono, T.Love, Elektryczne Gitary. It's my youth so I'm nostalgic about these but they aren't that good in general: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xby1imQDs3E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xby1imQDs3E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leYyu4wH4dQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leYyu4wH4dQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SN_ZH75e68 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SN_ZH75e68 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guJ25FxCwmY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guJ25FxCwmY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghh0ttnRdiQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghh0ttnRdiQ Best Polish female singer of all time also made career in 90s - Edyta Górniak. It's criminal that she didn't won Eurovision in 1994 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PL5rmmpiHp8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PL5rmmpiHp8 Recently Polish hip-hop is pretty good (but it's 90% in the lyrics so you'd have to have translations and I don't know how well it translates). I recommend Paktofonika, Kaliber 44, Łona, Quebonafide, Taco Hemmingway, Mata. Paktofonika was the band that started serious hip-hop in Poland, they are till considered the best, especially "Jestem Bogiem" (I am god). Important culturally too. Here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cq2paBCLSSc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cq2paBCLSSc

by ajuc 6y ago

082349872349872 6y ago

Amy Kane and Helen Ramirez are characters in High Noon. As the whole movie is less two-dimensional than most westerns, their characters go beyond the typical blonde vs brunette.

ajuc 6y ago
Doh :) Shows I'm not into westerns.
- 082349872349872 6y ago
  Is "Wybory" the same slavic root as the chorus singing "pick me" in: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuSf1UcFRq0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuSf1UcFRq0 ? (Russia is not subtle about encouraging deep rural population growth! The Subaru w/ spoiler and well-depreciated tractor are stereotypical village rides here, but we, being more densely populated, also have monoaxes. And you remind me I ought to explore "disco polo" sometime. Or do you have any recommendations for a more refined genre?)
  - ajuc 6y ago
    I don't know Russian, the sound and ending changes are very predictable for a Pole that heard the language several times, but there's lots of false friends and they often use different root words than we do. But I'm pretty sure it is the same in this case. In Polish "brać" = "to take" and prefix "wy-" adds aspect of movement out of some place so "wybierać" is literally sth like "to take out" and means "to choose". "Wybór" is noun made from that verb, and "wybory" is the plural of that noun, so it literally means "choices", but is most often used to mean "elections". "wybier mienia" from that song would be "wybierz mnie" in Polish. As for disco polo it's basically Polish country - few people listen to it unironically and say so publicly (epecially outside countryside), but play it during any party and everybody will dance. There's no wedding in Poland without disco polo. As for recommendation sorry for wall of text in advance :) I didn't know how to choose so I went chronologically. 60s and 70s were all about "big beat" which was basically Polish rock'n'roll. Some recommendations: Czerwone Gitary, Czesław Niemen, Skaldowie, Karin Stanek. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTjLZwpmufw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTjLZwpmufw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1CM68Z3z0A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1CM68Z3z0A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2WtBpMkxz8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2WtBpMkxz8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lW_XYk-Xc94 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lW_XYk-Xc94 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVFvIK7IRkw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVFvIK7IRkw In 70s-80s there was this weird genre that I like called "poetic song" that turned into "student's song"/"touristic song". It's started with Kaczmarski as something like Vladimir Vysocky or Bob Dylan - lyrics are more important than music, one guy and a guitar. I especially like Jacek Kaczmarski songs, there's also Łapiński, Gintrowski, Kleyff and others, and then the touristic songs took over and instead of politics and angst students started singing about how pretty the mountains are and how nice it is to camp in them, but the music style is still similar. The best examples are Wolna Grupa Bukowina and Stare Dobre Małżeństwo, but there's many more. It's very obscure genre, by the way, except for a few songs by Kaczmarski that turned into anthems because of politics in late 70s early 80s. Kaczmarski story is very interesting. He wrote a song called "Mury" in late 70s (inpired by Lluis Llach protest song about Catalonia freedom) which was supposed to be about political movements taking over art from artists with good intentions and turning on artists and anybody who isn't with them eventually. That's the song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwD6i9eOiYE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwD6i9eOiYE Solidarity took that song as its anthem and changed the last verses because it was "too pessimistic". Few people realize now what it was even about, mostly they think it was only about destroying communism. Basically it's a song that predicted what will happen with it :) Other "poetic songs": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-38k_Jom2eg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-38k_Jom2eg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMmfE9PkNpA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMmfE9PkNpA The touristic subgenre: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lt03Q4EDHYQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lt03Q4EDHYQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcxpdLbw3zM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcxpdLbw3zM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-1q80-m-yo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-1q80-m-yo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfp-DRAUN8E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfp-DRAUN8E 80s and early 90s was all rock (because it's a protest genre and there were lots of things to be raging against). Perfekt, Maanam, Lady Punk, Budka Suflera, Kombi, Lombard, Kazik. Examples: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=661sTP275nE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=661sTP275nE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7OgVpWQs5s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7OgVpWQs5s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nd3Yp4aUU7E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nd3Yp4aUU7E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3Nxamh3-t0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3Nxamh3-t0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3kicEsx7g0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3kicEsx7g0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuqVcDyOAoY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuqVcDyOAoY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esu5UYDFBew https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esu5UYDFBew The first song refrain is "Chcemy być sobą" (we want to be ourselves) but people sung "Chcemy bić ZOMO" (we want to beat up ZOMO). ZOMO was communist political milita that beat up A LOT of people to pacify protests and shut down concerts. 90s-00s was mostly about pop and rock-lite by bands like Wilki, Varius Manx, De Mono, T.Love, Elektryczne Gitary. It's my youth so I'm nostalgic about these but they aren't that good in general: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xby1imQDs3E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xby1imQDs3E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leYyu4wH4dQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leYyu4wH4dQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SN_ZH75e68 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SN_ZH75e68 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guJ25FxCwmY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guJ25FxCwmY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghh0ttnRdiQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghh0ttnRdiQ Best Polish female singer of all time also made career in 90s - Edyta Górniak. It's criminal that she didn't won Eurovision in 1994 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PL5rmmpiHp8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PL5rmmpiHp8 Recently Polish hip-hop is pretty good (but it's 90% in the lyrics so you'd have to have translations and I don't know how well it translates). I recommend Paktofonika, Kaliber 44, Łona, Quebonafide, Taco Hemmingway, Mata. Paktofonika was the band that started serious hip-hop in Poland, they are till considered the best, especially "Jestem Bogiem" (I am god). Important culturally too. Here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cq2paBCLSSc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cq2paBCLSSc