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The US doesn't limit human rights. People who pursue happiness are still free to do it. There are certain concerns around a particular corporate entity and a p

The US doesn't limit human rights. People who pursue happiness are still free to do it. There are certain concerns around a particular corporate entity and a particular government directly associated with that entity, that has a track record of economic espionage, IP infringement, and denying US companies access to its country's market on competitive terms (the conditions that the US has been guaranteeing to almost every foreign business, until recently). And due to the found evidence of spying activity, and in the light of concerns about national security, the entity is denied access to the US market, as the entity seems to be an unfair player. As for the human rights, if you are associated with CCP and are in support of it, from the moral standpoint there's no ground for treating you according to the Declaration of Independence, and not according to the Marxist norms declared in the CCP Constitution.

Thorrez 6y ago
>As for the human rights, if you are associated with CCP and are in support of it, from the moral standpoint there's no ground for treating you according to the Declaration of Independence, and not according to the Marxist norms declared in the CCP Constitution. I'm not sure if "you" is referring to me specifically or to people in general. I definitely am not associated with CCP and I definitely don't support it. But there is a moral ground for treating CCP supporters according to the Declaration of Independence. It says "all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights". It doesn't say "all men who agree with my politics are created equal, [...]". We should hold ourselves to our own standard. We shouldn't hold ourselves to our opponent's standard.
- ghostwriter 6y ago
  > But there is a moral ground for treating CCP supporters according to the Declaration of Independence. check your premises, because the principle here should be the same as one behind the morality of an action of self-defense, when a physical force is applied on those who initiated a physical force in the first place. If the morality of CCP contradics the one that laid foundation for the Declaration of Independence, and if proponents of the former are actively seeking to destroy the freedoms that the Declaration proclaims unalienable, their actions put them outside these freedoms automatically, and retaliation is the moral action that seeks to stop the destroyers.
  - Thorrez 6y ago
    I agree if TikTok is infringing on other people's rights, something should be done to stop that. If TikTok is violating current laws, they should be dealt with according to those current laws they are violating. If they are not violating any current laws, that should be rectified by writing laws to protect the rights of the people who are having their rights violated by TikTok.
kosh2 6y ago
> The US doesn't limit human rights. The US has killed thousands of civilians in its countless wars in the last decades. Just think of all the stuff that happened after 9/11 with Guantanamo Bay. Yes, US citizens have much more right than Chinese citizens but when it comes to the rest of the world, the US so far has a worse track record than China.
- ghostwriter 6y ago
  > The US has killed thousands of civilians in its countless wars in the last decades. > Just think of all the stuff that happened after 9/11 with Guantanamo Bay. Name the people out there, and then we try to discern if they are terrorists or civilians. I'm sure you haven't been under authoritarian regime once in your life, have you? I suggest you try living in Iran or Palestine for a while and then, with your first hand experience at hand, we can discuss who kills civilians by thousands. If you haven't noticed, native Hongkongese have been begging the US to intervene recently. They know exactly how it feels when an authoritarian regime takes freedoms away from you. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFfQvZc-Jeo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFfQvZc-Jeo

Thorrez 6y ago

>As for the human rights, if you are associated with CCP and are in support of it, from the moral standpoint there's no ground for treating you according to the Declaration of Independence, and not according to the Marxist norms declared in the CCP Constitution. I'm not sure if "you" is referring to me specifically or to people in general. I definitely am not associated with CCP and I definitely don't support it. But there is a moral ground for treating CCP supporters according to the Declaration of Independence. It says "all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights". It doesn't say "all men who agree with my politics are created equal, [...]". We should hold ourselves to our own standard. We shouldn't hold ourselves to our opponent's standard.

ghostwriter 6y ago
> But there is a moral ground for treating CCP supporters according to the Declaration of Independence. check your premises, because the principle here should be the same as one behind the morality of an action of self-defense, when a physical force is applied on those who initiated a physical force in the first place. If the morality of CCP contradics the one that laid foundation for the Declaration of Independence, and if proponents of the former are actively seeking to destroy the freedoms that the Declaration proclaims unalienable, their actions put them outside these freedoms automatically, and retaliation is the moral action that seeks to stop the destroyers.
- Thorrez 6y ago
  I agree if TikTok is infringing on other people's rights, something should be done to stop that. If TikTok is violating current laws, they should be dealt with according to those current laws they are violating. If they are not violating any current laws, that should be rectified by writing laws to protect the rights of the people who are having their rights violated by TikTok.

kosh2 6y ago

> The US doesn't limit human rights. The US has killed thousands of civilians in its countless wars in the last decades. Just think of all the stuff that happened after 9/11 with Guantanamo Bay. Yes, US citizens have much more right than Chinese citizens but when it comes to the rest of the world, the US so far has a worse track record than China.

ghostwriter 6y ago
> The US has killed thousands of civilians in its countless wars in the last decades. > Just think of all the stuff that happened after 9/11 with Guantanamo Bay. Name the people out there, and then we try to discern if they are terrorists or civilians. I'm sure you haven't been under authoritarian regime once in your life, have you? I suggest you try living in Iran or Palestine for a while and then, with your first hand experience at hand, we can discuss who kills civilians by thousands. If you haven't noticed, native Hongkongese have been begging the US to intervene recently. They know exactly how it feels when an authoritarian regime takes freedoms away from you. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFfQvZc-Jeo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFfQvZc-Jeo