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> China does it, so it is okay for us to do it is just a very weak defense of this behaviour for us looking at this from outside of China and the US. This is h

by stale2002 6y ago

> China does it, so it is okay for us to do it is just a very weak defense of this behaviour for us looking at this from outside of China and the US. This is how trade relationships work. If china puts a tariff on us, for corn, or steel, or whatever, then the US is going to put the same exact corn/steel tariff on them. Reciprocity is a foundational premise of trade relations. > The US stood for free markets We have tariffs against many countries for many different reasons... This is nothing new. That is just how trade relations work.

logicchains 6y ago
>We have tariffs against many countries for many different reasons... This is nothing new. That is just how trade relations work. That's not trade, it's politics. Any economist would point out that tariffs hurt Americans by increasing the prices they pay. Yeah, let's teach those Chinese a lesson by making goods more expensive and reducing our standard of living!
- ghostwriter 6y ago
  > That's not trade, it's politics Exactly the words you should be addressing to CCP, as the modern mainland China is not involved in fair trade, doesn't respect IP laws, and doesn't treat US companies equally on its territory.
- mlazos 6y ago
  I used to be on this train that tariffs are always bad, but when other countries have them I think there is a benefit to the US having them. It allows the US to capture some of the benefits that this other country is taking. Yes everyone is worse off than without tariffs, but the US is slightly better off from the world where only other countries have them. There is also the additional caveat of industries moving to other countries because of cheap export back to the US - there is a benefit to keeping people employed especially when other countries don’t have ethical labor laws. This results in more expensive goods, but prices in externalities like workers not working in sweatshops.
- stale2002 6y ago
  In this situation we would be taking one of their companies though, which benefits Americans. A US company recieves this company, and we get it for cheap.

logicchains 6y ago

>We have tariffs against many countries for many different reasons... This is nothing new. That is just how trade relations work. That's not trade, it's politics. Any economist would point out that tariffs hurt Americans by increasing the prices they pay. Yeah, let's teach those Chinese a lesson by making goods more expensive and reducing our standard of living!

ghostwriter 6y ago
> That's not trade, it's politics Exactly the words you should be addressing to CCP, as the modern mainland China is not involved in fair trade, doesn't respect IP laws, and doesn't treat US companies equally on its territory.
mlazos 6y ago
I used to be on this train that tariffs are always bad, but when other countries have them I think there is a benefit to the US having them. It allows the US to capture some of the benefits that this other country is taking. Yes everyone is worse off than without tariffs, but the US is slightly better off from the world where only other countries have them. There is also the additional caveat of industries moving to other countries because of cheap export back to the US - there is a benefit to keeping people employed especially when other countries don’t have ethical labor laws. This results in more expensive goods, but prices in externalities like workers not working in sweatshops.
stale2002 6y ago
In this situation we would be taking one of their companies though, which benefits Americans. A US company recieves this company, and we get it for cheap.