3 ms·

It is a quantitative comparison of alternatives with a very different quality. Apples and oranges, if you will. The fact that both spy on private information do

It is a quantitative comparison of alternatives with a very different quality. Apples and oranges, if you will. The fact that both spy on private information does not mean that the information is roughly equivalent, nor the level of betrayal. Apart from the first sentence, I agree with your statement though.

082349872349872 6y ago
I did say 'contrast', not 'compare'. I agree the information is not roughly equivalent (the smartphone gathers much more data) and agree the level of betrayal is not there (as with the line about the advantages of making the landlord and the tenant the same person, there are also advantages to making the informer and the informee the same person). For the aunt/uncle comment: No, I don't believe "the government"/"the corporations"/"the illuminati" are actively listening to every[1] conversation. However, is there any technical reason why they couldn't?[2] Ad networks[3] already know many web pages I visit; why would my own devices (or devices between me and my ISP's gateway) not know them all? As I doubt there are any technical solutions to this problem, I hope we[4] eventually come up with some social ones. [1] In the early 1960's, watch lists were only a few thousand words: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_7950_Harvest#Usage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_7950_Harvest#Usage [2] Having had friends whose research became unpublishable due to having been classified midstream, I have a bad habit of looking for dual-use. A friend of mine was excited to work on https://eos.com https://eos.com due to the (for the time) cutting edge transfer, storage, and retrieval issues. I couldn't help but think that there were no doubt other agencies besides his funder, who had similar problems, albeit slightly different data sets. Dual-use technology is an existence proof that many systems can be used for good or for ill, depending solely upon intent (or the signs of certain parameters). https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23768824 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23768824 [3] cf p.88 "5.A.1.j. does not apply to systems or equipment, specially designed for any of the following: a. Marketing purpose; ..." https://www.wassenaar.org/app/uploads/2019/12/WA-DOC-19-PUB-002-Public-Docs-Vol-II-2019-List-of-DU-Goods-and-Technologies-and-Munitions-List-Dec-19.pdf https://www.wassenaar.org/app/uploads/2019/12/WA-DOC-19-PUB-... [4] "What you mean we, kemo sabe?"

082349872349872 6y ago

I did say 'contrast', not 'compare'. I agree the information is not roughly equivalent (the smartphone gathers much more data) and agree the level of betrayal is not there (as with the line about the advantages of making the landlord and the tenant the same person, there are also advantages to making the informer and the informee the same person). For the aunt/uncle comment: No, I don't believe "the government"/"the corporations"/"the illuminati" are actively listening to every[1] conversation. However, is there any technical reason why they couldn't?[2] Ad networks[3] already know many web pages I visit; why would my own devices (or devices between me and my ISP's gateway) not know them all? As I doubt there are any technical solutions to this problem, I hope we[4] eventually come up with some social ones. [1] In the early 1960's, watch lists were only a few thousand words: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_7950_Harvest#Usage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_7950_Harvest#Usage [2] Having had friends whose research became unpublishable due to having been classified midstream, I have a bad habit of looking for dual-use. A friend of mine was excited to work on https://eos.com https://eos.com due to the (for the time) cutting edge transfer, storage, and retrieval issues. I couldn't help but think that there were no doubt other agencies besides his funder, who had similar problems, albeit slightly different data sets. Dual-use technology is an existence proof that many systems can be used for good or for ill, depending solely upon intent (or the signs of certain parameters). https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23768824 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23768824 [3] cf p.88 "5.A.1.j. does not apply to systems or equipment, specially designed for any of the following: a. Marketing purpose; ..." https://www.wassenaar.org/app/uploads/2019/12/WA-DOC-19-PUB-002-Public-Docs-Vol-II-2019-List-of-DU-Goods-and-Technologies-and-Munitions-List-Dec-19.pdf https://www.wassenaar.org/app/uploads/2019/12/WA-DOC-19-PUB-... [4] "What you mean we, kemo sabe?"