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China could also just wait 3 more months until the election and decide action after that. If the presidency changes they are able to deal with a more rational p

by ideals 6y ago

China could also just wait 3 more months until the election and decide action after that. If the presidency changes they are able to deal with a more rational player.

loopz 6y ago
A more realistic scenario is that US have a 3 months deadline to fix their political system, as rationality need an empiric and humane system to work within.
dis-sys 6y ago
Go and read John Bolton's book, Xi made it clear to Trump in person that he wants Trump to have two more terms. An irrational US president undermining the US credibility in all possible aspects is good for China. Why Chinese would possibly want this trend to change?
- labster 6y ago
  Bolton has many strong opinions that are not necessarily shared with the rest of the world -- not that he's wrong, but do use critical thinking. There are pros and cons here, like Trump causing short-term trade losses with China while they're dealing with political instability back home. Is economic stability worth more than relative world influence? Hard to say. Also, Xi telling Trump that he should have more terms is a classic way to play to a narcissist; it shouldn't be interpreted as anything more than flattery. Honestly I think China has very little to gain from interfering on either side of the US election, and potentially a lot to lose. Russia, on the other hand...
- ejanus 6y ago
  Bolton was fired.... Trump is a street man his yes may not be yes.
FooBarWidget 6y ago
China is already being very patient in waiting until the reelection. The US military is flaunting its military hardware near the mainland, and all this time China is basically ignoring the threat. But the Trump administration is very active in launching more attacks. If you follow the news on what they've been doing to Chinese companies, the past month has been absolutely insane. The attacks are only getting faster and faster, as the Trump administration gets increasingly desperate to win a reelection. Another problem is that all these attacks leave behind permanent damage. It's not just a matter of ignoring the attacks. I fear that at some point, we get past some boiling point, and things erupt into a hot war.
- seemack 6y ago
  I apparently don't follow the news on what they've been doing to Chinese companies. Do you have any links so that I can learn more?
  - FooBarWidget 6y ago
    My favorite is Tom Fowdy on Twitter. Disclaimer: he leans towards pro China. Here is what he said two weeks ago about how much happened in the past two weeks. https://twitter.com/Tom_Fowdy/status/1285845346447499265 https://twitter.com/Tom_Fowdy/status/1285845346447499265 "As I noted a while ago, the US is on a roll announcing 2-3 anti-China measures a week. There has been one roughly every two days. It's just non-stop -Closes the Chinese consulate in Houston -Charges two nationals for hacking -Adds more companies to the entity list over Xinjiang -Bans federal contractors buying from Huawei -Ups ante in the South China sea -Blacklists officials -Removes Hong Kong's special status -Daily Cold War rhetoric from Pompeo -Restricts Chinese student visas -Ends fulbright scholar program Hong Kong -Contemplating banning TikTok Most of the above is in the past TWO WEEKS alone."
    - jimmydorry 6y ago
      All of these were justified though: -Closes the Chinese consulate in Houston >Allegedly caught spying -Charges two nationals for hacking >Conducting justice shouldn't be seen as a deliberate attempt to increase tension -Adds more companies to the entity list over Xinjiang >Black listing companies involved in perpetuating genocide against the Uighurs doesn't seem controversial to me -Bans federal contractors buying from Huawei >National security -Ups ante in the South China sea >Allowing China to claim that region puts a substantial amount of trade in jeopardy, due to many established shipping routes going through there. China is the aggressor here, regardless of what the media tries to portray. -Blacklists officials >You need to be more specific, but I assume you are referring to more Uighur genocide related sanctions -Removes Hong Kong's special status >Following the terms of the Hong Kong special status trade agreement that hinges on it being a self-governed state. (It no longer is) -Daily Cold War rhetoric from Pompeo >Sabre rattling, but could be taken as aggressive action depending on whether Pompeo was talking about any of the points above. If so, then it's warranted. -Restricts Chinese student visas >The world is in lock-down. Even countries heavily reliant on chinese student spending, have temporarily restricted such visas. -Ends fulbright scholar program Hong Kong >Why continue such programs when the status of such a country changes? Those programs and trade agreements have to be renegotiated. -Contemplating banning TikTok >Reciprocal treatment of western social media. So far the first and only deliberate escalation of tensions against China, on this list. Justified... but certainly an escalation.

by ideals 6y ago

China could also just wait 3 more months until the election and decide action after that. If the presidency changes they are able to deal with a more rational player.

loopz 6y ago

A more realistic scenario is that US have a 3 months deadline to fix their political system, as rationality need an empiric and humane system to work within.

dis-sys 6y ago

Go and read John Bolton's book, Xi made it clear to Trump in person that he wants Trump to have two more terms. An irrational US president undermining the US credibility in all possible aspects is good for China. Why Chinese would possibly want this trend to change?

labster 6y ago
Bolton has many strong opinions that are not necessarily shared with the rest of the world -- not that he's wrong, but do use critical thinking. There are pros and cons here, like Trump causing short-term trade losses with China while they're dealing with political instability back home. Is economic stability worth more than relative world influence? Hard to say. Also, Xi telling Trump that he should have more terms is a classic way to play to a narcissist; it shouldn't be interpreted as anything more than flattery. Honestly I think China has very little to gain from interfering on either side of the US election, and potentially a lot to lose. Russia, on the other hand...
ejanus 6y ago
Bolton was fired.... Trump is a street man his yes may not be yes.

FooBarWidget 6y ago

China is already being very patient in waiting until the reelection. The US military is flaunting its military hardware near the mainland, and all this time China is basically ignoring the threat. But the Trump administration is very active in launching more attacks. If you follow the news on what they've been doing to Chinese companies, the past month has been absolutely insane. The attacks are only getting faster and faster, as the Trump administration gets increasingly desperate to win a reelection. Another problem is that all these attacks leave behind permanent damage. It's not just a matter of ignoring the attacks. I fear that at some point, we get past some boiling point, and things erupt into a hot war.

seemack 6y ago
I apparently don't follow the news on what they've been doing to Chinese companies. Do you have any links so that I can learn more?
- FooBarWidget 6y ago
  My favorite is Tom Fowdy on Twitter. Disclaimer: he leans towards pro China. Here is what he said two weeks ago about how much happened in the past two weeks. https://twitter.com/Tom_Fowdy/status/1285845346447499265 https://twitter.com/Tom_Fowdy/status/1285845346447499265 "As I noted a while ago, the US is on a roll announcing 2-3 anti-China measures a week. There has been one roughly every two days. It's just non-stop -Closes the Chinese consulate in Houston -Charges two nationals for hacking -Adds more companies to the entity list over Xinjiang -Bans federal contractors buying from Huawei -Ups ante in the South China sea -Blacklists officials -Removes Hong Kong's special status -Daily Cold War rhetoric from Pompeo -Restricts Chinese student visas -Ends fulbright scholar program Hong Kong -Contemplating banning TikTok Most of the above is in the past TWO WEEKS alone."
  - jimmydorry 6y ago
    All of these were justified though: -Closes the Chinese consulate in Houston >Allegedly caught spying -Charges two nationals for hacking >Conducting justice shouldn't be seen as a deliberate attempt to increase tension -Adds more companies to the entity list over Xinjiang >Black listing companies involved in perpetuating genocide against the Uighurs doesn't seem controversial to me -Bans federal contractors buying from Huawei >National security -Ups ante in the South China sea >Allowing China to claim that region puts a substantial amount of trade in jeopardy, due to many established shipping routes going through there. China is the aggressor here, regardless of what the media tries to portray. -Blacklists officials >You need to be more specific, but I assume you are referring to more Uighur genocide related sanctions -Removes Hong Kong's special status >Following the terms of the Hong Kong special status trade agreement that hinges on it being a self-governed state. (It no longer is) -Daily Cold War rhetoric from Pompeo >Sabre rattling, but could be taken as aggressive action depending on whether Pompeo was talking about any of the points above. If so, then it's warranted. -Restricts Chinese student visas >The world is in lock-down. Even countries heavily reliant on chinese student spending, have temporarily restricted such visas. -Ends fulbright scholar program Hong Kong >Why continue such programs when the status of such a country changes? Those programs and trade agreements have to be renegotiated. -Contemplating banning TikTok >Reciprocal treatment of western social media. So far the first and only deliberate escalation of tensions against China, on this list. Justified... but certainly an escalation.