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"No one knows everything" is much different from "No one knows anything so anyone can make anything up". We already know that it is bigger than 1. And you're m

"No one knows everything" is much different from "No one knows anything so anyone can make anything up". We already know that it is bigger than 1. And you're mistaken if you think your comment has no political connotation.

schemy 6y ago
>We already know that it is bigger than 1. Do we? Do you have a study?
- doliveira 6y ago
  There are quite a few studies showing that asymptomatic carry just as much viral load, and pre-symptomatic transmission is a thing as well. But I don't think you want to be convinced. Like you said, it has become politicized.
  - schemy 6y ago
    Please provide the doi.
    - doliveira 6y ago
      They're a Google search away. Are you aware that you're the one with the extraordinary claim?
      - doliveira 6y ago
        But anyway, I do regret entering this discussion. I hope I was not disrespectful.
      - roenxi 6y ago
        https://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/handle/10665/332293/WHO-2019-nCov-IPC_Masks-2020.4-eng.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=yed=y https://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/handle/10665/332293/WHO-... > Comprehensive studies on transmission from asymptomatic individuals are difficult to conduct, but the available evidence from contact tracing reported by Member States suggests that asymptomatically-infected individuals are much less likely to transmit the virus than those who develop symptoms. > The available data, to date, on onward infection from cases without symptoms comes from a limited number of studies with small samples that are subject to possible recall bias and for which fomite transmission cannot be ruled out. Go looking for evidence on the internet I suspect anything can be supported. I stopped trying to keep up with the evidence a few months ago; but certainly as of May I was infuriated by how little actual knowledge seemed to be disseminating about how, in detail, this thing spreads. There is a lot of 'common sense' out there that appears to be unsupported by attempts to gather and work to evidence. I havn't seen anything so far to suggest that asymptotic transmission is the problem. My theory is that people are ignoring quarantines if they have mild symptoms - but again, no evidence.

schemy 6y ago

>We already know that it is bigger than 1. Do we? Do you have a study?

doliveira 6y ago
There are quite a few studies showing that asymptomatic carry just as much viral load, and pre-symptomatic transmission is a thing as well. But I don't think you want to be convinced. Like you said, it has become politicized.
- schemy 6y ago
  Please provide the doi.
  - doliveira 6y ago
    They're a Google search away. Are you aware that you're the one with the extraordinary claim?
    - doliveira 6y ago
      But anyway, I do regret entering this discussion. I hope I was not disrespectful.
    - roenxi 6y ago
      https://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/handle/10665/332293/WHO-2019-nCov-IPC_Masks-2020.4-eng.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=yed=y https://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/handle/10665/332293/WHO-... > Comprehensive studies on transmission from asymptomatic individuals are difficult to conduct, but the available evidence from contact tracing reported by Member States suggests that asymptomatically-infected individuals are much less likely to transmit the virus than those who develop symptoms. > The available data, to date, on onward infection from cases without symptoms comes from a limited number of studies with small samples that are subject to possible recall bias and for which fomite transmission cannot be ruled out. Go looking for evidence on the internet I suspect anything can be supported. I stopped trying to keep up with the evidence a few months ago; but certainly as of May I was infuriated by how little actual knowledge seemed to be disseminating about how, in detail, this thing spreads. There is a lot of 'common sense' out there that appears to be unsupported by attempts to gather and work to evidence. I havn't seen anything so far to suggest that asymptotic transmission is the problem. My theory is that people are ignoring quarantines if they have mild symptoms - but again, no evidence.