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Because it's false? Companies are banned in China for not following Chinese laws or directives. Like... how they report on Tiananmen Square, for example. When

Because it's false? Companies are banned in China for not following Chinese laws or directives. Like... how they report on Tiananmen Square, for example. When you learn a bit more about geopolitics, you realize that there's more to these things than initially appears. Tiananmen Square was pretty bad. But when you look at the utter collapse of Russia after it tried to Westernize, and the poor shape of America because of her own economic policies, someone not living in the Anglo/American news bubble would really have to wonder. To that end, companies that have an easier time skirting around the dirty politics – like Tesla, Ford, and GM – have been able to have successful and profitable operations in China. As the parent points out, there's a pandora's box that's being opened. And if you are led to believe that it's a normal comment, it's the same nationalistic stuff you've being trained to fall in line with.

toomuchtodo 6y ago
It is well known China has stolen IP from western companies and strong armed them into partnership agreements if they wanted to operate in China, as well as using illegitimate anti-monopoly crackdowns to handicap them. https://fortune.com/2014/08/11/china-western-companies-monopoly-probes/ https://fortune.com/2014/08/11/china-western-companies-monop... (China vs. Western companies: Best defense is a strong offense) https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/28/1-in-5-companies-say-china-stole-their-ip-within-the-last-year-cnbc.html https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/28/1-in-5-companies-say-china-s... (1 in 5 corporations say China has stolen their IP within the last year: CNBC CFO survey) https://money.cnn.com/2018/04/05/news/economy/china-foreign-companies-restrictions/index.html https://money.cnn.com/2018/04/05/news/economy/china-foreign-... (How China gets what it wants from American companies) https://money.cnn.com/2018/03/23/technology/china-us-trump-tariffs-ip-theft/index.html https://money.cnn.com/2018/03/23/technology/china-us-trump-t... (How much has the US lost from China’s IP theft?)
perennate 6y ago
> Companies are banned in China for not following Chinese laws or directives. Sure, but by that same argument, this executive order bans ByteDance/Tencent under American laws and directives (specifically, the International Emergency Economic Powers Act).
- xvector 6y ago
  > under American laws and directives Obviously not the case - this is an out-right ban. There has been no evidence of TikTok violating any laws, and furthermore, no new laws have been issued to which TikTok could adhere to avoid a ban. Companies operating in China can adhere to Chinese law to operate in the country, but the Trump administration hasn't even issued any laws. This is unprecedented.
  - perennate 6y ago
    The IEEPA is literally a law. (Also, PRC laws are vague/broad and often applied arbitrarily, just look at the new Hong Kong security law. Not saying this isn't true for US laws, but it's disingenuous to point at the laws when the effects and implementation of those policies matter more.)
sbmthakur 6y ago
> Companies are banned in China for not following Chinese laws or directives One of those laws is China's National Intelligence law which requires all companies to cooperate with and aid national intelligence.
- zolosa 6y ago
  Same in USA.

toomuchtodo 6y ago

It is well known China has stolen IP from western companies and strong armed them into partnership agreements if they wanted to operate in China, as well as using illegitimate anti-monopoly crackdowns to handicap them. https://fortune.com/2014/08/11/china-western-companies-monopoly-probes/ https://fortune.com/2014/08/11/china-western-companies-monop... (China vs. Western companies: Best defense is a strong offense) https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/28/1-in-5-companies-say-china-stole-their-ip-within-the-last-year-cnbc.html https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/28/1-in-5-companies-say-china-s... (1 in 5 corporations say China has stolen their IP within the last year: CNBC CFO survey) https://money.cnn.com/2018/04/05/news/economy/china-foreign-companies-restrictions/index.html https://money.cnn.com/2018/04/05/news/economy/china-foreign-... (How China gets what it wants from American companies) https://money.cnn.com/2018/03/23/technology/china-us-trump-tariffs-ip-theft/index.html https://money.cnn.com/2018/03/23/technology/china-us-trump-t... (How much has the US lost from China’s IP theft?)

perennate 6y ago

> Companies are banned in China for not following Chinese laws or directives. Sure, but by that same argument, this executive order bans ByteDance/Tencent under American laws and directives (specifically, the International Emergency Economic Powers Act).

xvector 6y ago
> under American laws and directives Obviously not the case - this is an out-right ban. There has been no evidence of TikTok violating any laws, and furthermore, no new laws have been issued to which TikTok could adhere to avoid a ban. Companies operating in China can adhere to Chinese law to operate in the country, but the Trump administration hasn't even issued any laws. This is unprecedented.
- perennate 6y ago
  The IEEPA is literally a law. (Also, PRC laws are vague/broad and often applied arbitrarily, just look at the new Hong Kong security law. Not saying this isn't true for US laws, but it's disingenuous to point at the laws when the effects and implementation of those policies matter more.)

sbmthakur 6y ago

> Companies are banned in China for not following Chinese laws or directives One of those laws is China's National Intelligence law which requires all companies to cooperate with and aid national intelligence.

zolosa 6y ago
Same in USA.