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> This smells like sour apples from an employee who focused more on their plans to take down their employer than their actual job. The story didn't read as "so
by fach 6y ago
> This smells like sour apples from an employee who focused more on their plans to take down their employer than their actual job.
The story didn't read as "sour apples" to me but rather an employee pointing out evidence that contradicts the "two strikes" policy Zuckerberg explained at the company Q&A. It's tough to write that off as "Facebook isn't perfect".
- smart_jackal 6y agoA google employee had also similarly pointed out evidence in an internal company memo few years ago. That employee was promptly fired and last I heard, he is struggling to make a living and ends meet in the US.
- sjwright 6y agoIt is startling and frankly concerning to me that the parent post is being voted down. Clearly there are some people who don’t want to confront difficult questions, or acknowledge that this might be more pervasive than we feel comfortable admitting.
- LeoNatan25 6y agoVirtue signaling is strong here, even with the downvoting.
- gwbas1c 6y agoHonestly, as bigoted and creepy as the diversity memo is; I found Google's response just as creepy. It would be one thing if they called the diversity memo out as disruptive and bigoted, but they said it had "wrong opinions." That just reeks of authoritarianism. I'm more afraid of authoritarianism from a major company than a bigot.
- sjwright 6y agoThe memo wasn't bigoted or creepy, it didn't even say anything particularly remarkable, though I do agree it failed to pay sufficient deference to the cultural moment. But the assertion that it was hateful or bigoted went unchallenged in all of the reporting around it. If you haven't read it yourself, I encourage you to challenge yourself with an open mind and give it a read.
- gwbas1c 6y ago> I encourage you to challenge yourself with an open mind and give it a read I did. It relies on junk science to justify bigotry. And that's why Google's response concerns me. (I encourage you to look it up too.) It uses the words "wrong opinion" instead of calling out the junk science. But it also abandoned employees who may have mild concerns about the processes that Google was following. Thus, Google handled the situation poorly because it didn't discredit the "diversity memo." It assumed that everyone disagreed with the memo, which clearly isn't the case. --- Junk science: Think of debunked science like eugenics that were used to justify past bigotry.
- sjwright 6y ago"It relies on junk science to justify bigotry." Go on then, cite a paragraph directly from Damore's memo that "relies on junk science." I'm waiting. I dare say I'll be waiting a while. Hopefully it inspires you to actually read it for yourself instead of parrot what a few other people have said. Or at the very least, if you'd prefer the lazier option, listen to what some other people who've read the memo said about it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZZSYPs1_ng https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZZSYPs1_ng
- gwbas1c 6y agoThe whole "personality differences" section.
- gumby 6y agoThat employee argued that people, such as people like me, were inherently less competent than others due to aspects of their gestation. Frankly I wouldn’t want to work with someone with such an attitude, and based on his writing vice versa. If he actually cannot get a job due to his stated opinions, well, frankly I’m not surprised. Why would you hire someone who publically says up front he scorns many of his potential coworkers?
- googthrowaway42 6y agoIt's amazing that even years later people are still mischaracterizing his argument in the exact same way.
- muglug 6y agoNot really. Right after the (somewhat-carefully-worded) memo was punished, the author showed his hand by appearing as a guest on the YouTube show of Stefan Molyneux who, even then, was well-known for his white nationalism and "men's rights" activism.
- googthrowaway42 6y agoI actually watched that interview and he just said the same thing he said in the memo. Damore went on a lot of alternative media platforms such as Joe Rogan. In any case your underlying argument is really bizarre.
- three_seagrass 6y agoThey're referring to James Damore being alt-right. Kind of like how he soon after sued Google for discrimination for being "white male conservative" (which has not aged well).
- googthrowaway42 6y agoInsofar as alt-right is a synonym for neo-Nazi that would certainly be a laughably ridiculous claim.
- lucd 6y agoWhataboutism
- pkaye 6y agoDo you mean James Damore? According to LinkedIn he is working at a startup.
- ryguytilidie 6y agoI think the most bizarre thing about the last few years to me is very certainly this thing where people are huge pieces of shit convince others that THEY are the victim when they were horrible human beings and got everything they deserved.
- dependenttypes 6y agoI am someone who is not very familiar with the case, why are you saying that Damore was a "huge piece of shit" and that he was a "was a horrible human beings and got everything he deserved"? I thought that he just made a statistical argument regarding preferences.
- logarhythmic 6y agoYeah, that was essentially what it was. Such a viscous response to a person like Damore is also quite comical and makes one look pretty ridiculous